The SS and WS6 cars were rated at 305 HP during the LT1 years, weren't they?

 

I haven't seen anywhere a 05 GT has came close to the besting LS1 bests. The best I have seen is a 13.4. Most are 13.7+ sec range from what I have seen. As far as response to mods? Simple bolt ons work miracles for the LS1. Once you get into the heads and Cam, they can get very powerful. The LS1 is a responsive motor. I have to agree though, Ford does have the best aftermarket for real parts though.


I haven't ever seen any data backing this view. From my experience, I'd have to say a Mustang isn't any more reliable than a F-Body. The 95 Mustang my wife owned was traded in on a 95 Z28 since it wasn't reliable and we were screwed over by it so much. Plus I have known people that have jumped from one platform to the other, it goes both ways. I think it really depends how the car was driven. I could be wrong, and my experience may not be reflective of the group.

I agree, these cars are relative in price.
But, they really aren't made to reach the same market.

 

Uhh lol.. they dont make the Cobra or Mach1 anymore either buddy You can speculate all you want about the '06 Cobra just as much as I can speculate about the '07 Camaro. Fact is neither has been announced and from what I heard the '06 Cobra will be NA and no faster than an '03-04. Why on earth would Ford build something to compete with their GT for $100k less?

As far as the GTO's there are guys running low 13's (13.1-13.2's) bonestock, so your new Mustang theory is again proven wrong. Then you figure their getting another 50hp for '05 and thats just going to make the Mustang GT look even stupider. The new GT isnt much faster than an LT1, a base model car sold for under 17k with a 6-speed etc back in '93, stuff the new mustang still doesnt offer, really sad .

And your point about Camaro's not being made was stupid. How does that prevent them still being fast? I see far more fast street driven LS1's than fast street driven mustangs by far in Houston(home of several 9 sec street driven LS1's).

Keep dreamin....

 

Yeah if you didnt know the SS/WS6/Firehawk LT1's were rated at 305-315hp. Besides the later 96-97 LT1's had slightly better flowing heads, a more aggressive cam, and a less restrictive exhaust manifold/cat design that showed dyno numbers that equaled over 300hp stock. Just like the f-body LS1's were actually making the same 350hp their Corvette brethren were.

Last time I checked, all that mattered in a race was who was faster. You can complain about their handicaps all you want but again they sell for the same amount or more than an LS1 did. They were offered recently with 3v-4v heads that still can't match the potential flow of the LS1 2V head. And it took a blower and a $12k forged engine to outrun the LS1.

 

i was under the impression that the only difference on the lt-1's from 95 to 96' were dual cats, im not saying that the heads and cam were not different, i just want some proof

 

My new Car and Driver came yesterday and on the cover is the new stang vs the new GTO. The GTO destroyed it in almost every catagory, yet the Stang took first prize cause the editors gave it a much higher "gotta have it" factor??

Jason

 

What's to be confused about? The GTO simply looks bland when compared to the new Mustang -- the new 'Stang look is a head turner. The GTO is simply too common looking. Sort of rounded, yet tries to get the evil look with the nostrils -- but doesn't pull off that nasty look like the WS6 Firebird did.

 

I have no issues with my little 2 valver breathing.......... So I'm not sure what you're talking about.

 

GM changed the profile of the LT1 cam a couple times, just as they did with the LS1. The 96-97 LT1 had a slightly more agressive cam than previous years. As far as the heads, 96-97 alum. heads flowed around the same as the iron LT1 heads, which is about 5-10 more cfm on average than the 93-95 alum. heads. Add the dual cat exhaust setup and this is why earlier(93-95) LT1's dynoed 235-255rwhp and later years(96-97) dynoed 245-270rwhp.

 

huh! learn something new everyday!

 

I'm sure you're aware of the advantages of the dohc 4.6 over the sohc 4.6 (mod for mod, of course). I've never really liked the power band in any sohc car I've ridden in. It doesn't feel torquey enough, and not very peaky either...

Did you choose to stay with the sohc design because that's what came in the car or is there something else in particular? Just wondering.

 

Yes I understand what you mean on the mods SOHC vs DOHC. However, keep in mind that I'm not running anything close to a stock motor. My engine can rev well beyond the 7k range if needed.

I like being the underdog so to speak. You can't imagine how many folks have absolutely zero respect when they see the 4.6 badges on the sides of the car. My goal is a high 9 / low 10 second streetable SOHC.

If you're ever in my area, drop me a line and I'll take you for a ride so you can see if mine feels toquey and what not, deal?

Cheers,
Tim

 

No ones dreaming....the 2005's are recently just out....the machs and cobras were made in 04...which is barely a year ago...as opposed to the last fbody now 3 years ago. I was comparing recently released cars, and regardless if you think the GTOs just as fast or not the Machs are turning better numbers stock, and comparing it to the Cobra I wont even go there. Im not sure where anyone was saying that ls1 fbodies werent fast. The new mustang GT is ten times the car the 4th gen. fbody ever was w/ the exceleration to go along w/ it and is no comparison to a 93 LT1 whatsoever but hey you keep comparing if you'd like...and believe me by the recent performance specs put out by the Ford GT svt will have plently of room to improve the recent Cobra and still come nowhere near the Ford GT.

 

Yeah lets change around what you said when you realize your wrong.

Lets get this right? They dont make Camaro's/TA's , Mach1's, or Cobras anymore? Yet despite the fact that the number of LS1's on the road and in car lots outnumbers '03-'04 Cobras and Mach1's BY FAR, its not a comparison? Out of the V8 mustang population, about 95% own a 2V 4.6 or 5.0. But for some reason you put those guys in the same group as the 03-04 Cobra owners. They are two totally different cars buddy. GM only offered the LS1 in the V8 models. And if you didnt know the stock performance gap between an LS1 and a Cobra isnt that big.

I would think Ford would be able to improve over something thats 12 years old, but they failed in several areas. The LT1's performance, which back in '93 matched several $40k sports cars, was barely breached, if at all(GT autos seem to be slower than auto LT1's). It's still offered with a 5-speed, while the base LT1 was offered with a superior 6-speed 12 years ago. The aerodynamics of the new GT are a complete brickwall compared to the 12 year old f-body design. Despite computer advances, it still gets worse gas mileage than the 12 year old f-body. So basically no its its an inferior performance car in several ways. I'll give it props as a daily driver though, it has a nice interior, and handles decently. But to tell you the truth I still think the GTO beats it in both of those, as well as straightline performance. Styling is anyones opinion but to tell you the truth I like the GTO better.

 

WTF are you talkin about...no ones changing anything around...Im comparing recently released cars...not cars that came out in 2002... and Nobodys talkin about crappy 2 valve Gts here either (not including you Tim ) .....Its obvious your brand loyal...which is fine...but that doesnt change the fact that the new GT burries the LT1 in excelleration and is a way better overall car then a 4th gen period... Go pick up a copy of the new MT, they ran a new GT to a 13.5@103.... The LS1 and Cobra stock gap isnt that big? The fastest new Cobra time ive seen to date is a 12.4..fastest LS1 time Ive seen was a 12.9...I believe Snorman trapped 115 mph stock a week or 2 ago in his new Cobra...as opposed to your faster LS1 traps of 107-109...yea your right thats not very big