in the past decade mstang never had a factory mustang faster than a 4th gen camaro ss .i think its sad thatford had to supercharge the 4.6 to make it a faster car than a ls1 camaro.go to a mustang forum and they start talking about what mods do i need to run with the ls1s.here ls1 owners dont have that problem.

 

The LT1 was not faster than the '96 and '97 Cobras, and they were very close in '93. The manual shifter is better for me on Stangs than Camaros, but I have long arms and am over 6' tall. How about the leaking intake on LT1s? How about the ring slapping, pushrod bending LS1s? The LS1 is not more reliable than the 4.6.

 

Yet another idiotic newbie. Ford didn't "have" to supercharge the 4.6 to beat the LS1, they chose to. They could have done a n/a 5.4 DOHC, a 6.8, a 4.6 DOHC etc. and beat the LS1 if they wanted to bad enough. And Camaro never had a factory car that was faster than an '03 Cobra, your point? The LS1 guys have the problem of what mods do they need to run with the '03 Cobra.

 

Yeah, the '03 Cobra motor is a weak, unreliable POS.

 

well the ls1 guys dont have to worry about what mods do i need to beat a 03 cobra,lol,its called supercharging the ls1.lol.bye bye cobra.1993 being a close race between the cobra and z28?yes it was fairly close with the cobras normally running high 14s and the earlty lt1s like mine running low 14s on average,but it dont matter if the z28 was faster by only 5 tenths.it was faster.by the way,the cobra also cost about two more grand back then than a z.how about that head gasket leaking,lean condition running,2nd to 3rd problemshifting tsb plaqued 4.6 now.pushrod power.camaro owned the 4th gen ask anyone with knowledge.

 

Yeah, it's a great idea to supercharge an engine with 10.1 to 1 compression and hyperpathetic pistions. The '93 Cobra and LT1 had more like 1 to 2 tenths seperating them, not 5. I've never heard of the 4.6 problems you describe and I own one! Yes the 4th gen Camaro had great power until you pulled up to an '03 Cobra.

 

Oh, if it were only that simple. Ever hear of forged internals? The Cobra has them, the LS1 doesn't. More boost for the Cobra. Another weak link for the Camaro is the 10-bolt rear. Yes, the Cobra has the IRS problem of getting good traction and not hopping all over the place, but AFAIK, the rear end won't break without MUCH more abuse than the stock Camaro rear-end can handle.

 

look up mustang tsbs on the net youll find the problems with the 4.6.dont be surprised if you see an all new camaro for 2007 that will continue the tradition of whooping mustangs.only time will tell.looks like the 05 mustang is already in trouble.the 05 gto is getting the ls2 with 400 ponies.

 

come on guys, we know we are on the camaro forums, but i don't think some american competition would damage anything, besides i don't think we have to remember fbodies are death already, and mustang won the war with 03/04 cobra's, let alone the latest ford GT. also no need to remember you guys again, mach'1s are the closest N/A competition that an ls1 powered fbody can have. i think everybody knows the ls1 has the edge on top end because of displacement, but nobody can argue about the capabilities of the latest N/A 32v 4.6L Mach 1 engine, simply the most powerfull N/A 4.6L engine ford offered on an mustang platform, it would smoke lt1's and run side by side with ls1's. period, wheather some of you like this idea or not, is a fact, is documented, is proven, you have a video here right now
stop this crap about what car was more powerful or not, because it was, but the fbody era is gone, too bad gm killed such a wonderful car to bring their gto pos and think they could replace their muscle icons with this kind of import garbage. i said this before but i'd say it again, you guys has a lot more competition now days than ever before, you saw a mach1 smoking an ss camaro and half of you guys are crying because of this ???? come on, at least it was a mach 1, it wasn't an srt-4 or a 350z, or an evo8 or ans sti , stop moaning and bitching, ls1's are not that almighty anymore

 

I just find it funny that it took Ford 5 years to come out with a Mustang that was any competition for the LS1.

I dont care what kind of car beat it, if it's faster; it's faster. But the fact is that the LS1 has proven to be an amazing engine, so I would still consider it pretty "almighty." I'm glad to see that the LS1 finally has something to play with. Like I said, it took Ford long enough. And it's even more funny now because F-Bodies arent even made any more.

 

Do you guys not realize Ford could have introduced a Mustang that would have beat the f-bodies all those years? It was a matter of choice, not ability...and look which car is still being produced. I love the power of the 4th gen f-bodies and wouldn't buy a Mustang (they just don't appeal to me)...but to think Ford COULDN'T produce a f-body killer all those years is ridiculous.

 

The 03 cobra came after the Fbodies time, only then did it win stock for stock becaus the Fbody wasent around in 03. But that only leaves it to contend with the Z06, which is faster then an 03 cobra.


However, to make it fair, if someone wants to say "what if GM put some forced induction on the LS1s in 2003 like the cobras have, we can still put a little shot of nitrous preferably, or some other forced induction on our little outdated LS1s and cause the 03/04 cobras to have to modify away to keep up. Godforbid we get fordged internals like the cobra or there is NO COMPETATION for an LS1 once that happens.

 

I completly understand that it was a choice, I'm just saying, they didnt produce a Mustang that was any competition to the LS1. Like you said, they didnt have to because everyone was buying Stangs instead of F-Bodies. But looking at it in a pure performance way, the Stang was the weaker car.

 

Once again, look at prior post. Fastest 4.6's in both 2V and 4V configuration are faster than the fastest LS-1's, and that is a fact. Maybe that other newbie tard (not you) will see where the argument was aimed at now, if he has any intelligence at all that is

 

99 and '01 Cobras were a hair behind the LS-1 with fastest ones running in the 13.3 range at 106. I've witnessed more than one on stock rubber dead *** stock do it, in 3 different states to boot. The Cobra R (though limited in production) was quite a bit faster than the fastest LS-1 F-body stock