Raced my first 03 Cobra and won
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From: Newark, DE
Originally posted by Sax1031
SS(WHITEY)- If you want to magazine race then we can refer to the times that Motor Trend got for the LS1 F-bod. They ran a 13.8 in a SS. Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords ran a BONE stock 03 Cobra to the tune of 12.42 at 114mph.
It is hard to say stock times because of how much practice it takes to launch a car with IRS. Most stock mustangs and newbie drivers are in the mid 13s with their 03 Cobras. Once they get some practice launching they usually dip to the 12.80 range.
With just cold air and a cat-back the 03 Cobra you were running was probably over 400rwhp. I saw a 03 Cobra with just cold air and a cat-back dyno 422rwhp. I was amazed.
If you see him again. Tell him to forget the pulley swap and get a kb. Run it at about 18 lbs of boost on pump gas and make 610-630rwhp on the street.
SS(WHITEY)- If you want to magazine race then we can refer to the times that Motor Trend got for the LS1 F-bod. They ran a 13.8 in a SS. Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords ran a BONE stock 03 Cobra to the tune of 12.42 at 114mph.
It is hard to say stock times because of how much practice it takes to launch a car with IRS. Most stock mustangs and newbie drivers are in the mid 13s with their 03 Cobras. Once they get some practice launching they usually dip to the 12.80 range.
With just cold air and a cat-back the 03 Cobra you were running was probably over 400rwhp. I saw a 03 Cobra with just cold air and a cat-back dyno 422rwhp. I was amazed.
If you see him again. Tell him to forget the pulley swap and get a kb. Run it at about 18 lbs of boost on pump gas and make 610-630rwhp on the street.
And I don't think there is a 1.4 second difference between a stock 01 SS Camaro and an 03 Cobra. I know the cobra will trap higher but the key is to be able to hook off the line !!! Those cobras are awesome cars and I am not putting them down BUT I hardly ever see them run mid-low 12s at the track. I would rather have a consistent car that I can run 12.80s all day long then a car that is inconsistent because of drivability issues (traction) that runs 12.5 on one run and a 13.1 on another run.
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Originally posted by HeavyChevySS
And I don't think there is a 1.4 second difference between a stock 01 SS Camaro and an 03 Cobra. I know the cobra will trap higher but the key is to be able to hook off the line !!! Those cobras are awesome cars and I am not putting them down BUT I hardly ever see them run mid-low 12s at the track. I would rather have a consistent car that I can run 12.80s all day long then a car that is inconsistent because of drivability issues (traction) that runs 12.5 on one run and a 13.1 on another run.
Heavy
And I don't think there is a 1.4 second difference between a stock 01 SS Camaro and an 03 Cobra. I know the cobra will trap higher but the key is to be able to hook off the line !!! Those cobras are awesome cars and I am not putting them down BUT I hardly ever see them run mid-low 12s at the track. I would rather have a consistent car that I can run 12.80s all day long then a car that is inconsistent because of drivability issues (traction) that runs 12.5 on one run and a 13.1 on another run.
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Originally posted by Steve Y
There isn't. If you compare same mag to same mag times. That is more fair since they all have different ways of testing cars. Best Motor Trend time for '03 Cobra is about 12.8 at 113. Best Motor Trend time for SS is 13.5 at 107. Best MMFF times for '03 Cobra is 12.4 at 113ish. Best GMHTP times for Z28 is 12.8 at 108ish. MMFF and GMHTP both have very similar testing techniques and drivers.
There isn't. If you compare same mag to same mag times. That is more fair since they all have different ways of testing cars. Best Motor Trend time for '03 Cobra is about 12.8 at 113. Best Motor Trend time for SS is 13.5 at 107. Best MMFF times for '03 Cobra is 12.4 at 113ish. Best GMHTP times for Z28 is 12.8 at 108ish. MMFF and GMHTP both have very similar testing techniques and drivers.
bottom line....to get the best times....it's all up to the driver if the vehicles are operating with no problems.
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Originally posted by HeavyChevySS
good point steve.
bottom line....to get the best times....it's all up to the driver if the vehicles are operating with no problems.
good point steve.
bottom line....to get the best times....it's all up to the driver if the vehicles are operating with no problems.
I could easily say well MMFF ran 12.4 at 114mph while one of the no-driving mags went 13.7 in the f-bod.
Isn't mag racing fun.
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Hey whatever their saxy. All I'm trying to say is its entirely posssible for a ls1 f-fody to run with the 03 cobra stock to stock
Sorry if a few of my mag quotes were incorrect though.
I have seen two many 03 cobras and ls1 f-bodys run at the track usually the 03 has an edge but not always. Later
Sorry if a few of my mag quotes were incorrect though.
I have seen two many 03 cobras and ls1 f-bodys run at the track usually the 03 has an edge but not always. Later
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Originally posted by SS(WHITEY)
Hey whatever their saxy. All I'm trying to say is its entirely posssible for a ls1 f-fody to run with the 03 cobra stock to stock
Sorry if a few of my mag quotes were incorrect though.
I have seen two many 03 cobras and ls1 f-bodys run at the track usually the 03 has an edge but not always. Later
Hey whatever their saxy. All I'm trying to say is its entirely posssible for a ls1 f-fody to run with the 03 cobra stock to stock
Sorry if a few of my mag quotes were incorrect though.
I have seen two many 03 cobras and ls1 f-bodys run at the track usually the 03 has an edge but not always. Later
When I am at the track the stock 03 Cobras usually run the same times as the LS1 F-bods that are stock or relatively stock. It takes a good driver in a stock 03 Cobra to beat a stock LS1.
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From: huntington beach
Originally posted by SS(WHITEY)
Dude motor trend usually gets some of the better quarter mile times on any stock car, they couldn't even get in the 12s with the 03 cobra.Neither could hot rod or car and driver. I believe the only magazine who did break 12s was Muscle mustangs and fast fords,and it was a 12.9. And you know they always lie about their crap hell they said the new mach 1 run a 13.3 They have a hard enough time busting a 13.8 stock. Just venting about the facts that I have seen in some of the most popular car magazines. I personal have not seen a cobra trap above 109 (one that is stock). And I go to the memphis motorsports park all the time in Memphis Tennesse. I mean cobras are cool especially the 03 but, hell its extremly possible for a ls1 with the same mods as a 03 cobra to bust his azz. In motor tend a stock convertibe C5 beat a stock 03 cobra(convertible). GM high tech ran a 12.9 in a 01 ss camaro(six-speed) with 90 degree weather on back to back passes, and ya it was stock all the way down to the ac delco filter. Just had to give some ACCURATE INFORMATION
Dude motor trend usually gets some of the better quarter mile times on any stock car, they couldn't even get in the 12s with the 03 cobra.Neither could hot rod or car and driver. I believe the only magazine who did break 12s was Muscle mustangs and fast fords,and it was a 12.9. And you know they always lie about their crap hell they said the new mach 1 run a 13.3 They have a hard enough time busting a 13.8 stock. Just venting about the facts that I have seen in some of the most popular car magazines. I personal have not seen a cobra trap above 109 (one that is stock). And I go to the memphis motorsports park all the time in Memphis Tennesse. I mean cobras are cool especially the 03 but, hell its extremly possible for a ls1 with the same mods as a 03 cobra to bust his azz. In motor tend a stock convertibe C5 beat a stock 03 cobra(convertible). GM high tech ran a 12.9 in a 01 ss camaro(six-speed) with 90 degree weather on back to back passes, and ya it was stock all the way down to the ac delco filter. Just had to give some ACCURATE INFORMATION
now regarding the cobra, out of the whole an ls1 can take it, due to the irs setup cobras are using. cobra's IRS is not drag friendly. Mach's solid rear and suspension setup is. That is why Mach's run low 13's.. Cobras run low 13's and high 12's.. Not much difference, especially when you factor it on the street.
my friend just pulled 390 rwhp in his Cobra off road hpipe, mufflers and filter. the problem is putting all that power to the ground. that's when ls1 can take the cobra.
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You have a Mustang Mach 1 so you a partial to it. I seen plenty running low 14's high 13's. The best I have seen personally was a 13.6 and the guy had cold air and a programmer. They run with the LT1 factory to factory. Lets think about this Logically, the mach 1 a 4.6 liter motor has 305 HP and the 5.7 LS1 has more like 345 HP, and makes more Torque. They are pretty much equally geared 3:55 for the mach and 3:42 for the LS1. Both being manuals of course. Just reminding you of the facts of the 2 cars. AND DON"T even get me started Stock to stock on the LT1 and the 99-03 GT mustangs. My brother pulled off a 13.6 in his Stock LT1. Don't believe the Mach 1 has the power to run a 13.6 stock, the numbers don't add up, not enough power in that mustang.
Just to tell you the a little story me and my friends was at the Memphis motorsports park the last day they were open this year. You should have seen it. my Friend has a 2000 Z28 A4 with 2:73 gears only mods were a short belt, lid, fast toys ram air, no seats but his and some big and littles to hook. I don't remember his trap speed but he clocked off a 12.8 (I thought that was good). His was up against a 2003 Mach 1 stick (the one I talked about) and yes he ran a 13.6.
Just to tell you the a little story me and my friends was at the Memphis motorsports park the last day they were open this year. You should have seen it. my Friend has a 2000 Z28 A4 with 2:73 gears only mods were a short belt, lid, fast toys ram air, no seats but his and some big and littles to hook. I don't remember his trap speed but he clocked off a 12.8 (I thought that was good). His was up against a 2003 Mach 1 stick (the one I talked about) and yes he ran a 13.6.
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Originally posted by SS(WHITEY)
My brother pulled off a 13.6 in his Stock LT1. Don't believe the Mach 1 has the power to run a 13.6 stock, the numbers don't add up, not enough power in that mustang.
My brother pulled off a 13.6 in his Stock LT1. Don't believe the Mach 1 has the power to run a 13.6 stock, the numbers don't add up, not enough power in that mustang.
There have already been a large number of people who have driven their bone stock Mach1's to low-mid 13's. Just because YOU haven't seen it in person doesn't make all the others who have suddenly never have happened. You are bench racing at it's finest, and it's making you look quite silly.
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Originally posted by SS(WHITEY)
You have a Mustang Mach 1 so you a partial to it. I seen plenty running low 14's high 13's. The best I have seen personally was a 13.6 and the guy had cold air and a programmer. They run with the LT1 factory to factory. Lets think about this Logically, the mach 1 a 4.6 liter motor has 305 HP and the 5.7 LS1 has more like 345 HP, and makes more Torque. They are pretty much equally geared 3:55 for the mach and 3:42 for the LS1. Both being manuals of course. Just reminding you of the facts of the 2 cars. AND DON"T even get me started Stock to stock on the LT1 and the 99-03 GT mustangs. My brother pulled off a 13.6 in his Stock LT1. Don't believe the Mach 1 has the power to run a 13.6 stock, the numbers don't add up, not enough power in that mustang.
Just to tell you the a little story me and my friends was at the Memphis motorsports park the last day they were open this year. You should have seen it. my Friend has a 2000 Z28 A4 with 2:73 gears only mods were a short belt, lid, fast toys ram air, no seats but his and some big and littles to hook. I don't remember his trap speed but he clocked off a 12.8 (I thought that was good). His was up against a 2003 Mach 1 stick (the one I talked about) and yes he ran a 13.6.
You have a Mustang Mach 1 so you a partial to it. I seen plenty running low 14's high 13's. The best I have seen personally was a 13.6 and the guy had cold air and a programmer. They run with the LT1 factory to factory. Lets think about this Logically, the mach 1 a 4.6 liter motor has 305 HP and the 5.7 LS1 has more like 345 HP, and makes more Torque. They are pretty much equally geared 3:55 for the mach and 3:42 for the LS1. Both being manuals of course. Just reminding you of the facts of the 2 cars. AND DON"T even get me started Stock to stock on the LT1 and the 99-03 GT mustangs. My brother pulled off a 13.6 in his Stock LT1. Don't believe the Mach 1 has the power to run a 13.6 stock, the numbers don't add up, not enough power in that mustang.
Just to tell you the a little story me and my friends was at the Memphis motorsports park the last day they were open this year. You should have seen it. my Friend has a 2000 Z28 A4 with 2:73 gears only mods were a short belt, lid, fast toys ram air, no seats but his and some big and littles to hook. I don't remember his trap speed but he clocked off a 12.8 (I thought that was good). His was up against a 2003 Mach 1 stick (the one I talked about) and yes he ran a 13.6.
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Originally posted by SS(WHITEY)
You have a Mustang Mach 1 so you a partial to it. I seen plenty running low 14's high 13's. The best I have seen personally was a 13.6 and the guy had cold air and a programmer. They run with the LT1 factory to factory. Lets think about this Logically, the mach 1 a 4.6 liter motor has 305 HP and the 5.7 LS1 has more like 345 HP, and makes more Torque. They are pretty much equally geared 3:55 for the mach and 3:42 for the LS1. Both being manuals of course. Just reminding you of the facts of the 2 cars. AND DON"T even get me started Stock to stock on the LT1 and the 99-03 GT mustangs. My brother pulled off a 13.6 in his Stock LT1. Don't believe the Mach 1 has the power to run a 13.6 stock, the numbers don't add up, not enough power in that mustang.
Just to tell you the a little story me and my friends was at the Memphis motorsports park the last day they were open this year. You should have seen it. my Friend has a 2000 Z28 A4 with 2:73 gears only mods were a short belt, lid, fast toys ram air, no seats but his and some big and littles to hook. I don't remember his trap speed but he clocked off a 12.8 (I thought that was good). His was up against a 2003 Mach 1 stick (the one I talked about) and yes he ran a 13.6.
You have a Mustang Mach 1 so you a partial to it. I seen plenty running low 14's high 13's. The best I have seen personally was a 13.6 and the guy had cold air and a programmer. They run with the LT1 factory to factory. Lets think about this Logically, the mach 1 a 4.6 liter motor has 305 HP and the 5.7 LS1 has more like 345 HP, and makes more Torque. They are pretty much equally geared 3:55 for the mach and 3:42 for the LS1. Both being manuals of course. Just reminding you of the facts of the 2 cars. AND DON"T even get me started Stock to stock on the LT1 and the 99-03 GT mustangs. My brother pulled off a 13.6 in his Stock LT1. Don't believe the Mach 1 has the power to run a 13.6 stock, the numbers don't add up, not enough power in that mustang.
Just to tell you the a little story me and my friends was at the Memphis motorsports park the last day they were open this year. You should have seen it. my Friend has a 2000 Z28 A4 with 2:73 gears only mods were a short belt, lid, fast toys ram air, no seats but his and some big and littles to hook. I don't remember his trap speed but he clocked off a 12.8 (I thought that was good). His was up against a 2003 Mach 1 stick (the one I talked about) and yes he ran a 13.6.
, my father is still driving a 1969 one with a 454 big block done a month ago. my brother drives an 1999 ss, almost all my closest friends are driving z28's and ss's. that been said i don't thing i need to tell you that since i have a mach, i'm been partial to it . hell i did post a reply here because i wanted to see how were you guys comparing the ss with the mach 1. i didn't own a v8 before the mach. but i know the capabilites of an lt1 or ls1 because i've been around them for a long time. i won't tell you stories about stock vs stock and bla bla bla. and to tell you more i don't know anything about mustangs at all. the mach 1 really impressed me when i took the car for a test drive. the shaker was calling me but that's talk for another post i know more mach people on my area, and i've seen their times. i know for a fact that a STOCK mach 1 with drag radials can go 13.2 (looking forward to get me a pair of thoses in january), you don't have to believe me though and i'm not trying to impress you, or to tell you that my car is faster than your car. automatics are running high 13 - 14 flat. just because you haven't seen them does't mean is not true.
i'm not biased to ford, nor to chevy, i enjoy the best of both worlds. do you need more explanation than that???
besides you were the one who said
"Don't believe the Mach 1 has the power to run a 13.6 stock, the numbers don't add up, not enough power in that mustang."
why you find this so impossible to believe. maybe because as you said you're thinking on 99-03 gt's. if you have a friend who has one ask him/her for a test drive, or go to dealer and do a test drive. as i said before you don't have to believe me, just go, drive one and have fun.
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First I will reply about the GTs(99-03) since someone said they were a good race against a lt1.They may be true sometimes but they will still never win. My girlfriend has a 02 gt auto, 2 of my friends have GTs one a 2000 5 speed other 01 auto. I like the cars their cool I just can't believe they can beat an lt1 stock to stock sorry. SEEN way to many race
AS for the mach 1 never rode in one just seen them at the track. And ya it puts out a little more hp but the lt1 has a 5.7 liter,more torque,and we all know how fast it makes it. Mayby I'm wrong about how fast the mach 1 is but until I see it run the numbers at the track. its hard to believe. Like I said my brothers lt1 did 13.6 stock. Thats why I said the mach 1 isn't as fast thats what I based my opinion on, and the hp and torque ratings
And hell ya I like chevy it does show
or GM for that matter, they have been kicking but from the beginning
AS for the mach 1 never rode in one just seen them at the track. And ya it puts out a little more hp but the lt1 has a 5.7 liter,more torque,and we all know how fast it makes it. Mayby I'm wrong about how fast the mach 1 is but until I see it run the numbers at the track. its hard to believe. Like I said my brothers lt1 did 13.6 stock. Thats why I said the mach 1 isn't as fast thats what I based my opinion on, and the hp and torque ratings
And hell ya I like chevy it does show
or GM for that matter, they have been kicking but from the beginning