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Old Feb 15, 2004 | 08:37 PM
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Obviously I was talking about a gt. But anyways about the cobras. A stock 96 cobra vs. a stock 96 ss.... The SS has the advantage so I still think it is hard to say that a 96-98 cobra can with the right driver walk any lt1.
Cobras problem is that the rear gear is not a good choice stock for the 96-98 Cobra. 3.27's are like 2.73's on the old 5.0 and a change of gears really wakes the car up.
Old Feb 15, 2004 | 08:40 PM
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Originally posted by scott9050
Cobras problem is that the rear gear is not a good choice stock for the 96-98 Cobra. 3.27's are like 2.73's on the old 5.0 and a change of gears really wakes the car up.
I've never driven anything but a stock '96 and '98 Cobra, but i'm sure you are right about gears waking them up. Heck, the 3.27s suck on my car and it sure does not pull hard up high in the tach like a Cobra.
Old Feb 15, 2004 | 09:00 PM
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Originally posted by scott9050
Cobras problem is that the rear gear is not a good choice stock for the 96-98 Cobra. 3.27's are like 2.73's on the old 5.0 and a change of gears really wakes the car up.
Yea that is true. Way........Way off topic but when do you think I should get new gears in my car? Should I get full exhaust first? And what gears should I get? Sorry to be so off topic but I figured since someone brought it up.
Old Feb 15, 2004 | 09:04 PM
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Yes the Cobra has about a 2 mph advantage in trap speed, but little or no advantage in e.t. stock for stock against the 99+ GT 5M. Trap speeds don't win races. The LS1 has about a 2-3 mph and 4 tenths advantage over the Cobra.
the 3 mph advantage the cobra has over the 99+ GT's clearly shows which car is faster and what it's capable of. the e.t. on the other hand is up to the driver.
Old Feb 15, 2004 | 11:36 PM
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Originally posted by Steve Y
Yes the Cobra has about a 2 mph advantage in trap speed, but little or no advantage in e.t. stock for stock against the 99+ GT 5M. Trap speeds don't win races. The LS1 has about a 2-3 mph and 4 tenths advantage over the Cobra.
Your kidding me right...There are a good number of guys on the corral that have ran there 96-01 (more 99-01's) cobras anywhere from a 13.2-13.6@104-106 bone stock...The reason you dont see this that often is because launching that irs is a trained art, and most guys dont get enough practice. Sorry but thats WAY outta GT territory...Even in a street race a GT will get blown away w/ two equal drivers, GTs only chance(stock vs stock) would be to get a better launch off the line but it would get hawked down soon enough, from a roll it would just be ugly. I was a passenger in a race w/ a stock 01 Cobra vs a Stock 99ss, and from a 40 mph punch the Cobra put 2 1/2 cars on the SS real quick (no drivers fault), i was in shock. Those two extra valves make a bigger differance then you think, not jumping down throats, just tired of hearing guys say that there not a big differance in 99 up GTs and Cobras... Heres a little post for ya just so ya know im not making this up for arguments sake.http://www.corral.net/forums/showthr...hreadid=443191

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Old Feb 16, 2004 | 12:15 AM
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Originally posted by MauriSSio
the 3 mph advantage the cobra has over the 99+ GT's clearly shows which car is faster and what it's capable of. the e.t. on the other hand is up to the driver.
Couldnt agree w/ you anymore, you've just summed it up in one sentence , while i went and posted a novel
Old Feb 16, 2004 | 01:31 AM
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Originally posted by BiGGinZ
Yea that is true. Way........Way off topic but when do you think I should get new gears in my car? Should I get full exhaust first? And what gears should I get? Sorry to be so off topic but I figured since someone brought it up.
I saw R-West of this board gain quite a bit from going to 3.73's from 3.23's in his 93 Z-28. Exaust will help too, but I think that the gear swap will be cheaper and lay the foundation for the exaust. With both full exaust and the gears you should run 107-108 at least in good weather.
Old Feb 16, 2004 | 01:57 AM
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every 15% difference in gearing = ROUGHLY 1 MPH trap speed. The 3.27's in a 99 Cobra (6800RPM) are the equivalent of 2.73's in an LT1 (5600 RPM). So the cobra is terribly undergeared cuz it makes peak power at such a high RPM. Typical 96-98' Cobras Should trap about 103's stock and 4.10s should put it close to 105's. A typical 99+ 5sp. GT traps MAYBE 99MPH,i just dont see how 103 vs. 99 is very compareable,i mean it CAN be a close race,but really,IT shouldnt.
Old Feb 16, 2004 | 11:40 AM
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First of all I was comparing a '99+ GT 5M to a '96-98 Cobra, not a 99+ Cobra. The GTs put down about 230 rwhp. The Cobras of those years do about 255 rwhp. The Cobras weigh about 150 lbs. more and have a higher powerband with the same gearing as the GT. Stock for stock these cars are very close in e.t. (about .05 of a second different) and about 2 mph different in trap speeds. The Cobras are harder to launch and get a good e.t. with because of their higher powerband.
Old Feb 16, 2004 | 12:42 PM
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Originally posted by Steve Y
First of all I was comparing a '99+ GT 5M to a '96-98 Cobra, not a 99+ Cobra. The GTs put down about 230 rwhp. The Cobras of those years do about 255 rwhp. The Cobras weigh about 150 lbs. more and have a higher powerband with the same gearing as the GT. Stock for stock these cars are very close in e.t. (about .05 of a second different) and about 2 mph different in trap speeds. The Cobras are harder to launch and get a good e.t. with because of their higher powerband.
Ive driven both(98 Cobra and a 03 GT), they both suffer from weak low down torque, more so the GT(well I thought so compared to any 4th gen ive ever driven)...up top is a differant story. Ran head to head w/ equal drivers the GT will get rocked.
Old Feb 16, 2004 | 01:14 PM
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my friend never had a problem launching due to the higher revs. Why would it be harder?just launch at a higher RPM nothin hard about that.If youre talkin about only 2mph then you must be comparing a hardtop GT to a Convertible Cobra,which sounds about right.Oh yeah my homies 96 Cobra wighed in at 3600 or so with him in it and hes a bit over 200lbs. so the 96-98 Cobra and the GT are very close in weight. The 99-01 Cobras weigh a bit more due to the IRS.Reread my post i was comparing the 96-98 Cobras as well. When you say .05 difference in E.T you're comparing a GOOD GT run vs. an average Cobra run. The difference in ET would be closer to 3-4 tenths with equal drivers gettin the same 60' times.
Old Feb 16, 2004 | 01:28 PM
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Originally posted by scott9050
I saw R-West of this board gain quite a bit from going to 3.73's from 3.23's in his 93 Z-28. Exaust will help too, but I think that the gear swap will be cheaper and lay the foundation for the exaust. With both full exaust and the gears you should run 107-108 at least in good weather.
Very true statement.

My car stock ran a 14.2 @ only 96. With the 3:73 gears it ran 14.0 @ 98. CAI put me at 13.90 @ 99. Now with the DR's I am able to stall it higher without spinning and turn the times in my sig.
Old Feb 16, 2004 | 02:39 PM
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Originally posted by Antz97ZNJ
Ive driven both(98 Cobra and a 03 GT), they both suffer from weak low down torque, more so the GT(well I thought so compared to any 4th gen ive ever driven)...up top is a differant story. Ran head to head w/ equal drivers the GT will get rocked.
I've driven a '96 and a '98 Cobra. They both feel very similar in speed to my GT except from high speed rolls.
Old Feb 16, 2004 | 02:40 PM
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WOW....i guess you guys took my post a off the topic. I don't even feel like reading through all the post either to find out what you guys are even talking about anymore.
Old Feb 16, 2004 | 02:41 PM
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Originally posted by MauriSSio
my friend never had a problem launching due to the higher revs. Why would it be harder?just launch at a higher RPM nothin hard about that.If youre talkin about only 2mph then you must be comparing a hardtop GT to a Convertible Cobra,which sounds about right.Oh yeah my homies 96 Cobra wighed in at 3600 or so with him in it and hes a bit over 200lbs. so the 96-98 Cobra and the GT are very close in weight. The 99-01 Cobras weigh a bit more due to the IRS.Reread my post i was comparing the 96-98 Cobras as well. When you say .05 difference in E.T you're comparing a GOOD GT run vs. an average Cobra run. The difference in ET would be closer to 3-4 tenths with equal drivers gettin the same 60' times.
No, I am comparing hardtop 5M to hardtop 5M. My GT weighs about 3250 lbs. and the '96-98 Cobra about 3400. From what I have seen these Cobras e.t. about the same and trap about 2 mph more. Maybe I am seeing good GT drivers and poor Cobra ones?



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