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Originally posted by hsyr
Pretty loose term for stock tho. Seems like most guys with 320rwhp stock LS1s always have a 'lid' , or catback, or something small. They might be out there but you just can't believe whats stock and what isn't anymore. Heck, GMHTP took a 98 Formula and did a bunch of free mods to it and gained around 10rwhp. They probably still called it stock too
Pretty loose term for stock tho. Seems like most guys with 320rwhp stock LS1s always have a 'lid' , or catback, or something small. They might be out there but you just can't believe whats stock and what isn't anymore. Heck, GMHTP took a 98 Formula and did a bunch of free mods to it and gained around 10rwhp. They probably still called it stock too
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Originally posted by Bob Cosby
Yup. Cecil County raceway in late 1998. He backed it up on several runs that day. At the time, there was video of the run and a walk-around of the car, and several F-body folks vouched for it. However, I never quote that ET when discussing 96-98 Cobra's simply because it is so much better than any others that you will hear about. The hardest part about getting one of those cars to ET was the launch and a clean 1/2 shift. He had it down. Went through his first clutch inside of 18,000 miles. I only had my 98 at the track twice, and never figured it out. My 13.6 @ 104 was with a pathetic 2.18 60 ft....and horid spinning on the 1/2 shift.
Yup. Cecil County raceway in late 1998. He backed it up on several runs that day. At the time, there was video of the run and a walk-around of the car, and several F-body folks vouched for it. However, I never quote that ET when discussing 96-98 Cobra's simply because it is so much better than any others that you will hear about. The hardest part about getting one of those cars to ET was the launch and a clean 1/2 shift. He had it down. Went through his first clutch inside of 18,000 miles. I only had my 98 at the track twice, and never figured it out. My 13.6 @ 104 was with a pathetic 2.18 60 ft....and horid spinning on the 1/2 shift.
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Seems to me like people don't know what Bone stock is anymore... Always here a comment or two about how he's "Bone stock except for this exhaust and that 6psi Supercharge, oh and he's got headers and 4.11's with a 12bolt. He's bone stock dude!" Heh. I doubt a 98 Cobra could pull a 13.1 and be completely stock, sure he was? I know a guy with a SS that looked completely Stock (Since it was his goal the entire time to do so) and ran mid 12's... never did find out what his real mods were..
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Originally posted by BigRedZ28
Seems to me like people don't know what Bone stock is anymore... Always here a comment or two about how he's "Bone stock except for this exhaust and that 6psi Supercharge, oh and he's got headers and 4.11's with a 12bolt. He's bone stock dude!" Heh. I doubt a 98 Cobra could pull a 13.1 and be completely stock, sure he was? I know a guy with a SS that looked completely Stock (Since it was his goal the entire time to do so) and ran mid 12's... never did find out what his real mods were..
Seems to me like people don't know what Bone stock is anymore... Always here a comment or two about how he's "Bone stock except for this exhaust and that 6psi Supercharge, oh and he's got headers and 4.11's with a 12bolt. He's bone stock dude!" Heh. I doubt a 98 Cobra could pull a 13.1 and be completely stock, sure he was? I know a guy with a SS that looked completely Stock (Since it was his goal the entire time to do so) and ran mid 12's... never did find out what his real mods were..
Steve Y....I was at the track when MM&FF went 13.70 @ 101 mph in a brand new 2002 GT (still had the plastic on the seats). It was a private, closed session, and Evan Smith was behind the wheel. Track was well-prepped, air was very good, and Evan knows how to pedal a "stocker".
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Ya, I'm sure he was. And what's more, I'm just as sure that I understand your definition of "bone stock". However, if you would rather not believe it, that's ok with me. This happened a long time ago (way before you were even old enough to drive), created quite a stir a long time ago, and I got over it a long time ago.
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Originally posted by BigRedZ28
Don't wanna offend. But you see my point? You saw it and you believe it, and I would have to do the same; See it to believe it.
Don't wanna offend. But you see my point? You saw it and you believe it, and I would have to do the same; See it to believe it.
I would also say that if you have to see something to believe it, you won't be believing much in this world.
Peace.
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Well I forgot to wear my galloshes(sp) to work today, but I managed to wade through all of the 9 pages of BS to the end here. It's pretty friggin' deep in a couple of spots...
The only thing I'm curious about is why no one has questioned the original poster. 280some RWHP from a LT1 with cai and cat-back??? HEEELLLOOOOO!!!
The BEST dyno's I've seen from stock LT1s were in the 230-40rwhp range. So am I to believe that a intake/cat-back adds 50hp to the wheels???
Anyone care to clarify....
Jon
The only thing I'm curious about is why no one has questioned the original poster. 280some RWHP from a LT1 with cai and cat-back??? HEEELLLOOOOO!!!
The BEST dyno's I've seen from stock LT1s were in the 230-40rwhp range. So am I to believe that a intake/cat-back adds 50hp to the wheels???
Anyone care to clarify....
Jon
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thats what im sayin,a few years ago LT1's were dynoing 23X-240 and now if they dont hit at least 255-265 stock theyre terds.I think something has been up with the dynos the last 3 years or so. Maybe they changed the fomula i dont know but it dont really matter since it seems lots of cars are dynoing extravagant numbers yet running low MPH's (for the numbers theire putting down). For example, cammed LT1s w/stock heads are averaging 350RWHP now when before theyd ususally dyno 310-330 but their still running the same trap speeds. Shiet 03 Cobras are dynoing 375RWHP and only running 111MPH's or so. Maybe im paranoid but something seems fishy.
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I would also say that if you have to see something to believe it, you won't be believing much in this world.
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Originally posted by COMNBYU
Well I forgot to wear my galloshes(sp) to work today, but I managed to wade through all of the 9 pages of BS to the end here. It's pretty friggin' deep in a couple of spots...
The only thing I'm curious about is why no one has questioned the original poster. 280some RWHP from a LT1 with cai and cat-back??? HEEELLLOOOOO!!!
The BEST dyno's I've seen from stock LT1s were in the 230-40rwhp range. So am I to believe that a intake/cat-back adds 50hp to the wheels???
Anyone care to clarify....
Jon
Well I forgot to wear my galloshes(sp) to work today, but I managed to wade through all of the 9 pages of BS to the end here. It's pretty friggin' deep in a couple of spots...
The only thing I'm curious about is why no one has questioned the original poster. 280some RWHP from a LT1 with cai and cat-back??? HEEELLLOOOOO!!!
The BEST dyno's I've seen from stock LT1s were in the 230-40rwhp range. So am I to believe that a intake/cat-back adds 50hp to the wheels???
Anyone care to clarify....
Jon
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Originally posted by MauriSSio
thats what im sayin,a few years ago LT1's were dynoing 23X-240 and now if they dont hit at least 255-265 stock theyre terds.I think something has been up with the dynos the last 3 years or so. Maybe they changed the fomula i dont know but it dont really matter since it seems lots of cars are dynoing extravagant numbers yet running low MPH's (for the numbers theire putting down). For example, cammed LT1s w/stock heads are averaging 350RWHP now when before theyd ususally dyno 310-330 but their still running the same trap speeds. Shiet 03 Cobras are dynoing 375RWHP and only running 111MPH's or so. Maybe im paranoid but something seems fishy.
thats what im sayin,a few years ago LT1's were dynoing 23X-240 and now if they dont hit at least 255-265 stock theyre terds.I think something has been up with the dynos the last 3 years or so. Maybe they changed the fomula i dont know but it dont really matter since it seems lots of cars are dynoing extravagant numbers yet running low MPH's (for the numbers theire putting down). For example, cammed LT1s w/stock heads are averaging 350RWHP now when before theyd ususally dyno 310-330 but their still running the same trap speeds. Shiet 03 Cobras are dynoing 375RWHP and only running 111MPH's or so. Maybe im paranoid but something seems fishy.
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To me, stock means what it came with from the dealer. But people now can do motor changes, and everything to their car except ported heads and it is stock. I hate when people say stock when you can see their aftermarket exhaust. That is just me though.
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Originally posted by MauriSSio
thats what im sayin,a few years ago LT1's were dynoing 23X-240 and now if they dont hit at least 255-265 stock theyre terds.I think something has been up with the dynos the last 3 years or so. Maybe they changed the fomula i dont know but it dont really matter since it seems lots of cars are dynoing extravagant numbers yet running low MPH's (for the numbers theire putting down). For example, cammed LT1s w/stock heads are averaging 350RWHP now when before theyd ususally dyno 310-330 but their still running the same trap speeds. Shiet 03 Cobras are dynoing 375RWHP and only running 111MPH's or so. Maybe im paranoid but something seems fishy.
thats what im sayin,a few years ago LT1's were dynoing 23X-240 and now if they dont hit at least 255-265 stock theyre terds.I think something has been up with the dynos the last 3 years or so. Maybe they changed the fomula i dont know but it dont really matter since it seems lots of cars are dynoing extravagant numbers yet running low MPH's (for the numbers theire putting down). For example, cammed LT1s w/stock heads are averaging 350RWHP now when before theyd ususally dyno 310-330 but their still running the same trap speeds. Shiet 03 Cobras are dynoing 375RWHP and only running 111MPH's or so. Maybe im paranoid but something seems fishy.