ME VS 01-03 Stang GT
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Originally posted by 97WS6SCharged
First of all, don't call me cowboy, it sounds homosexual coming from a guy, and I don't want to be assiciated with someone on/in a mustang.
Second, it's not that I don't like the mustang, the lines are good and it's a nice ride and all, but the 4.6 SOHC motor is garbage. Ford rates them at 260 hp and most will dyno 180 at the wheels. The GT is not a performance car. Get over it. Now a cobra with its 4 valve heads and IRS is a much better match for an LT1. It almost always comes down to the driver, but I'd still give the LT1 a bit of an edge cause it has more torque.
Lastly, I can provide at least two national sources of GT's that are supercharged and not making 300 rwhp.
1. Project Nightmare on Horsepower TV... 285(or 6) rwhp
2. An install that National Dragster did on a GT.. 284 rwhp
Both were dynoed on a Dynojet chasis dyno.
Ps. Even Vortech doesn't claim 300 hp on their non intercooled 6-8 PSI kits. On their 10 PSI HO intercooled kit they only claim 323 hp. I'll give them the benefit and say it's rear wheel hp, but I'm skeptical.
First of all, don't call me cowboy, it sounds homosexual coming from a guy, and I don't want to be assiciated with someone on/in a mustang.
Second, it's not that I don't like the mustang, the lines are good and it's a nice ride and all, but the 4.6 SOHC motor is garbage. Ford rates them at 260 hp and most will dyno 180 at the wheels. The GT is not a performance car. Get over it. Now a cobra with its 4 valve heads and IRS is a much better match for an LT1. It almost always comes down to the driver, but I'd still give the LT1 a bit of an edge cause it has more torque.
Lastly, I can provide at least two national sources of GT's that are supercharged and not making 300 rwhp.
1. Project Nightmare on Horsepower TV... 285(or 6) rwhp
2. An install that National Dragster did on a GT.. 284 rwhp
Both were dynoed on a Dynojet chasis dyno.
Ps. Even Vortech doesn't claim 300 hp on their non intercooled 6-8 PSI kits. On their 10 PSI HO intercooled kit they only claim 323 hp. I'll give them the benefit and say it's rear wheel hp, but I'm skeptical.
GET EM!
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97WS6SCharged ,
Im not trying to be an *** here with you , but you say all of this about the 4.6 and really dont know the motor or its capabilities.
My 2001 Gt nicknamed Casper had just over 800 miles on it when we took it down to Darlington International Speedway in SC roughly two years ago and I never even saw a 14 second slip.
I raced a few LT1s there and have it on video tape where two were stock like me and (granted I drove better than them) I kicked some *** that day.
first run...Casper 8.99 @ 79mph / 95 LT1 9.22 @ 79mph
13.97 @ 100mph / 14.19 @ 99mph
2nd run Casper 9.04 @ 78mph / 97 LT1 9.01 @ 80mph
13.99 @ 100 mph / 13.97 @ 101 cat back
3rd was my best Casper 8.96@ 80 / 93 LT1 9.45 @ 74 mph
13.93 @ 101 mph / 14.59 @ 95 mph
Now I am smart enough to know that all LT1s cant be categorized by that day , but also all GTs cant either.
I have a friend that drove his GT to an incredible time that many here will not believe....hell its hard for me to believe, but he is no liar and I know the mods on his car. He ran a 13.61 @ 101 mph power shifting the **** out of his 01 GT with the only mod bieng a cold air densacharger and a bassani catted high flow X pipe.
Everything else was factory, even the mufflers.
It all goes to show you that if you can really drive your machine to its potential and you have excellent conditions you might be suprised with whatever make you drive.
Take it easy.
Mike
Im not trying to be an *** here with you , but you say all of this about the 4.6 and really dont know the motor or its capabilities.
My 2001 Gt nicknamed Casper had just over 800 miles on it when we took it down to Darlington International Speedway in SC roughly two years ago and I never even saw a 14 second slip.
I raced a few LT1s there and have it on video tape where two were stock like me and (granted I drove better than them) I kicked some *** that day.
first run...Casper 8.99 @ 79mph / 95 LT1 9.22 @ 79mph
13.97 @ 100mph / 14.19 @ 99mph
2nd run Casper 9.04 @ 78mph / 97 LT1 9.01 @ 80mph
13.99 @ 100 mph / 13.97 @ 101 cat back
3rd was my best Casper 8.96@ 80 / 93 LT1 9.45 @ 74 mph
13.93 @ 101 mph / 14.59 @ 95 mph
Now I am smart enough to know that all LT1s cant be categorized by that day , but also all GTs cant either.
I have a friend that drove his GT to an incredible time that many here will not believe....hell its hard for me to believe, but he is no liar and I know the mods on his car. He ran a 13.61 @ 101 mph power shifting the **** out of his 01 GT with the only mod bieng a cold air densacharger and a bassani catted high flow X pipe.
Everything else was factory, even the mufflers.
It all goes to show you that if you can really drive your machine to its potential and you have excellent conditions you might be suprised with whatever make you drive.
Take it easy.
Mike
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Originally posted by 97WS6SCharged
I think a 99-02 Cobra vs. an LT1 is a good race, but the GT doesn't have enough ***** whether it's modded or completely stock. I mean I've seen supercharged GT's not put down 300 horses which is pretty crappy. Ford should have put the 5.4 into the Mustang, then it would have been a much nicer car IMO.
I think a 99-02 Cobra vs. an LT1 is a good race, but the GT doesn't have enough ***** whether it's modded or completely stock. I mean I've seen supercharged GT's not put down 300 horses which is pretty crappy. Ford should have put the 5.4 into the Mustang, then it would have been a much nicer car IMO.
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Originally posted by 97WS6SCharged
First of all, don't call me cowboy, it sounds homosexual coming from a guy, and I don't want to be assiciated with someone on/in a mustang.
Second, it's not that I don't like the mustang, the lines are good and it's a nice ride and all, but the 4.6 SOHC motor is garbage. Ford rates them at 260 hp and most will dyno 180 at the wheels. The GT is not a performance car. Get over it. Now a cobra with its 4 valve heads and IRS is a much better match for an LT1. It almost always comes down to the driver, but I'd still give the LT1 a bit of an edge cause it has more torque.
Lastly, I can provide at least two national sources of GT's that are supercharged and not making 300 rwhp.
1. Project Nightmare on Horsepower TV... 285(or 6) rwhp
2. An install that National Dragster did on a GT.. 284 rwhp
Both were dynoed on a Dynojet chasis dyno.
Ps. Even Vortech doesn't claim 300 hp on their non intercooled 6-8 PSI kits. On their 10 PSI HO intercooled kit they only claim 323 hp. I'll give them the benefit and say it's rear wheel hp, but I'm skeptical.
First of all, don't call me cowboy, it sounds homosexual coming from a guy, and I don't want to be assiciated with someone on/in a mustang.
Second, it's not that I don't like the mustang, the lines are good and it's a nice ride and all, but the 4.6 SOHC motor is garbage. Ford rates them at 260 hp and most will dyno 180 at the wheels. The GT is not a performance car. Get over it. Now a cobra with its 4 valve heads and IRS is a much better match for an LT1. It almost always comes down to the driver, but I'd still give the LT1 a bit of an edge cause it has more torque.
Lastly, I can provide at least two national sources of GT's that are supercharged and not making 300 rwhp.
1. Project Nightmare on Horsepower TV... 285(or 6) rwhp
2. An install that National Dragster did on a GT.. 284 rwhp
Both were dynoed on a Dynojet chasis dyno.
Ps. Even Vortech doesn't claim 300 hp on their non intercooled 6-8 PSI kits. On their 10 PSI HO intercooled kit they only claim 323 hp. I'll give them the benefit and say it's rear wheel hp, but I'm skeptical.
You are obviously talking about the '96-98 4.6s. Those things put down about 190 rwhp stock. I've seen 323 rwhp out of 1 with a 12 psi intercooled procharger. The '99+ GTs put down about 230 rwhp stock and they weighed about 200 lbs. less than an LT1 F-body. So they ran neck and neck with each other. A blown '99+ GT will put down almost 400 rwhp with an 9 psi intercooled set up and other very minor bolt ons.
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Originally posted by 97WS6SCharged
First of all, don't call me cowboy, it sounds homosexual coming from a guy, and I don't want to be assiciated with someone on/in a mustang.
Second, it's not that I don't like the mustang, the lines are good and it's a nice ride and all, but the 4.6 SOHC motor is garbage. Ford rates them at 260 hp and most will dyno 180 at the wheels. The GT is not a performance car. Get over it. Now a cobra with its 4 valve heads and IRS is a much better match for an LT1. It almost always comes down to the driver, but I'd still give the LT1 a bit of an edge cause it has more torque.
Lastly, I can provide at least two national sources of GT's that are supercharged and not making 300 rwhp.
1. Project Nightmare on Horsepower TV... 285(or 6) rwhp
2. An install that National Dragster did on a GT.. 284 rwhp
Both were dynoed on a Dynojet chasis dyno.
Ps. Even Vortech doesn't claim 300 hp on their non intercooled 6-8 PSI kits. On their 10 PSI HO intercooled kit they only claim 323 hp. I'll give them the benefit and say it's rear wheel hp, but I'm skeptical.
First of all, don't call me cowboy, it sounds homosexual coming from a guy, and I don't want to be assiciated with someone on/in a mustang.
Second, it's not that I don't like the mustang, the lines are good and it's a nice ride and all, but the 4.6 SOHC motor is garbage. Ford rates them at 260 hp and most will dyno 180 at the wheels. The GT is not a performance car. Get over it. Now a cobra with its 4 valve heads and IRS is a much better match for an LT1. It almost always comes down to the driver, but I'd still give the LT1 a bit of an edge cause it has more torque.
Lastly, I can provide at least two national sources of GT's that are supercharged and not making 300 rwhp.
1. Project Nightmare on Horsepower TV... 285(or 6) rwhp
2. An install that National Dragster did on a GT.. 284 rwhp
Both were dynoed on a Dynojet chasis dyno.
Ps. Even Vortech doesn't claim 300 hp on their non intercooled 6-8 PSI kits. On their 10 PSI HO intercooled kit they only claim 323 hp. I'll give them the benefit and say it's rear wheel hp, but I'm skeptical.
Stop reading the magazines... they are just that "A magazine" and a source. Are there folks making well over 300rwhp with the SOHC platform? YES. Hell, I've been doing it for 3+ years now.
By the way, what are you running with the supercharged WS6? I would certainly hope you're running faster then my poor 12.4@114 SOHC which is soon to be much faster
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Originally posted by transam41282
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I got you by quoting "magazines"... Where did I ever imply that I was out to get you? I merely responded to a post. And how is it that when anyone quotes a source of information whether it's printed, filmed, or whatever everyone pulls the "it's a magazine, it can't possibly be right, my buddy's friend's uncle's girlfriend's ex husband did the same thing and got better results" card? I provide actual sources (one of them being a magazine that is predominately Ford) and you guys have the nerve to say I don't know what I'm talking about? That's some 
You know, the greatest thing Ford ever did was design/build the mustang. Know why? Because it made GM build the Camaro and Firebird. That's it, that's the mustang's greatest contribution to the automotive world. Thankyou Mr. Ford for providing the inspiration for two of the world's greatest automobiles (neither one of those carry a Ford badge by the way).
I will be completely honest about my car, I haven't run my car at the track with the supercharger because I have to work on the nights that the track is open (that's why I'm here now, responding to this post), so I don't know, you might actually run faster than me. My best/only run with the car was a 13.7 @ 106 with a flowmaster catback as the only mod on the car. I will tell you this, on 7 PSI of non intercooled/aftercooled boost, and on regular 93 octane pump gas, the TA did put down 441 hp and 463 ft/lb of torque. That was pretty fat with air/fuel ratio hovering around 10.9:1 on the wideband.
Think what you will, I don't really care. I'm done with this post.
Later
You know, the greatest thing Ford ever did was design/build the mustang. Know why? Because it made GM build the Camaro and Firebird. That's it, that's the mustang's greatest contribution to the automotive world. Thankyou Mr. Ford for providing the inspiration for two of the world's greatest automobiles (neither one of those carry a Ford badge by the way).
I will be completely honest about my car, I haven't run my car at the track with the supercharger because I have to work on the nights that the track is open (that's why I'm here now, responding to this post), so I don't know, you might actually run faster than me. My best/only run with the car was a 13.7 @ 106 with a flowmaster catback as the only mod on the car. I will tell you this, on 7 PSI of non intercooled/aftercooled boost, and on regular 93 octane pump gas, the TA did put down 441 hp and 463 ft/lb of torque. That was pretty fat with air/fuel ratio hovering around 10.9:1 on the wideband.
Think what you will, I don't really care. I'm done with this post.
Later
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Originally posted by 97WS6SCharged
I got you by quoting "magazines"... Where did I ever imply that I was out to get you? I merely responded to a post. And how is it that when anyone quotes a source of information whether it's printed, filmed, or whatever everyone pulls the "it's a magazine, it can't possibly be right, my buddy's friend's uncle's girlfriend's ex husband did the same thing and got better results" card? I provide actual sources (one of them being a magazine that is predominately Ford) and you guys have the nerve to say I don't know what I'm talking about? That's some
I got you by quoting "magazines"... Where did I ever imply that I was out to get you? I merely responded to a post. And how is it that when anyone quotes a source of information whether it's printed, filmed, or whatever everyone pulls the "it's a magazine, it can't possibly be right, my buddy's friend's uncle's girlfriend's ex husband did the same thing and got better results" card? I provide actual sources (one of them being a magazine that is predominately Ford) and you guys have the nerve to say I don't know what I'm talking about? That's some
You merely implied that you seen a few things on TV, therefore, it led to the conclusion that you're quoting sources other then real world examples. Everyone knows that sometimes what you see on TV is not what you'll see in "our" world, therefore, it's a mere example of "utopia" if you will.
You know, the greatest thing Ford ever did was design/build the mustang. Know why? Because it made GM build the Camaro and Firebird. That's it, that's the mustang's greatest contribution to the automotive world. Thankyou Mr. Ford for providing the inspiration for two of the world's greatest automobiles (neither one of those carry a Ford badge by the way).
I will be completely honest about my car, I haven't run my car at the track with the supercharger because I have to work on the nights that the track is open (that's why I'm here now, responding to this post), so I don't know, you might actually run faster than me.
My best/only run with the car was a 13.7 @ 106 with a flowmaster catback as the only mod on the car. I will tell you this, on 7 PSI of non intercooled/aftercooled boost, and on regular 93 octane pump gas, the TA did put down 441 hp and 463 ft/lb of torque. That was pretty fat with air/fuel ratio hovering around 10.9:1 on the wideband.
Think what you will, I don't really care. I'm done with this post.
Now take your 13 second wonderride and your BS Story somewhere else where you can quote the magazines, the articles, and all the other BS you've been spouting off. This is not "UTOPIA" ... it's the real world that we live in. Thank you, you've been dismissed. Who did you say is
again?
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Originally posted by MauriSSio
106 with only catback? LOL
106 with only catback? LOL
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Originally posted by 1BadAzzGT
Stop reading the magazines... they are just that "A magazine" and a source. Are there folks making well over 300rwhp with the SOHC platform? YES. Hell, I've been doing it for 3+ years now.
Stop reading the magazines... they are just that "A magazine" and a source. Are there folks making well over 300rwhp with the SOHC platform? YES. Hell, I've been doing it for 3+ years now.
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Originally posted by scott9050
Hell, I have seen 320+ rwhp out of SOHC's that have been built with power heads and aftermarket cams and all the bolt ons with no power adder.
Hell, I have seen 320+ rwhp out of SOHC's that have been built with power heads and aftermarket cams and all the bolt ons with no power adder.
What magazine did you find that in? No way on an SOHC engine.....
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Originally posted by 97WS6SCharged
I think a 99-02 Cobra vs. an LT1 is a good race, but the GT doesn't have enough ***** whether it's modded or completely stock. I mean I've seen supercharged GT's not put down 300 horses which is pretty crappy. Ford should have put the 5.4 into the Mustang, then it would have been a much nicer car IMO.
I think a 99-02 Cobra vs. an LT1 is a good race, but the GT doesn't have enough ***** whether it's modded or completely stock. I mean I've seen supercharged GT's not put down 300 horses which is pretty crappy. Ford should have put the 5.4 into the Mustang, then it would have been a much nicer car IMO.
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Originally posted by 1BadAzzGT
Scott9050,
What magazine did you find that in? No way on an SOHC engine.....
Scott9050,
What magazine did you find that in? No way on an SOHC engine.....