Lude vs LS1 What you think? (VIDEO)
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if you listen to the original video it doesn't sound like either car has half the poweer they are saying they do. listen the the cars that ls1 sounds slow the prelude didn't sound like it had much done either.... but thats just my 2 cents
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That still dosent look like a 400+hp Z28 at all in the 1st video. 
It looks like it could be a 400hp camaro on the second video, the civic might run somewhere like high 12s best and the Z28 mid 13s on motor and low 12s on nitrous.... Its very questionable.
So, i asked my buddy whos pushing 28lbs of boost into his acura, i figure he would know about where a stock prelude pushing 9lbs of boost would be. He said a stock lude with 9lbs will have around 220hp and mabey run 13.80s with a mph of like 98-102.
So i dont believe its just a stock lude with only 9psi.
It looks like it could be a 400hp camaro on the second video, the civic might run somewhere like high 12s best and the Z28 mid 13s on motor and low 12s on nitrous.... Its very questionable. So, i asked my buddy whos pushing 28lbs of boost into his acura, i figure he would know about where a stock prelude pushing 9lbs of boost would be. He said a stock lude with 9lbs will have around 220hp and mabey run 13.80s with a mph of like 98-102.
So i dont believe its just a stock lude with only 9psi.
Last edited by KamaroL98; May 10, 2004 at 08:43 PM.
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Originally posted by dist0rtion_69
I said 125-130.. Its a range.. If I said guys had dicks ranging size 3"-15". That would mean the average dick is still 6". And since your ***** enough to be arguing like a woman, your probably drooling over my analogy.
I don't use my lowest number to prove my point. I already stated H/C cars have trapped 130.. MUCH LESS with spray. Idiot. Please read again, and tell me what part of my last examples you didn't understand. I do however understand not all cars are the same and some will run 125, some will run 130.
I said 125-130.. Its a range.. If I said guys had dicks ranging size 3"-15". That would mean the average dick is still 6". And since your ***** enough to be arguing like a woman, your probably drooling over my analogy.
I don't use my lowest number to prove my point. I already stated H/C cars have trapped 130.. MUCH LESS with spray. Idiot. Please read again, and tell me what part of my last examples you didn't understand. I do however understand not all cars are the same and some will run 125, some will run 130.
I said a rough idea with the turbo. What do you think ones going to make 400rwhp and one 250rwhp ********? I can tell you right now that a stock prelude motor 9 psi isn't going to run with a heads/cam/spray ls1. The end. That isn't even rough idea, thats just common sense.
You are "building a twin turbo ls6" and I'm out of your league? Call me up when you actually get it done.. asswipe.. Everybody and their brother is "building" something. Talk **** after its done, not while you have a turbo laying on the table and want to act like you're a badass.
Again.. my point is.. A heads/cam/spray ls1 would have slaughtered that prelude 9psi on stock engine.. The end. You can continue arguing with yourself about something that you should know the answer too.. However, I would seek therapy with your arguing problem, because you know this is the truth.. and trying to get into whose got the biggest dick arguments over your turbo setup doesn't prove anything other than your just arguing for the sake of argument. You know damn well that prelude doesn't trap 125-130 with 9psi on a stock engine regardless of which turbo you strap on it.
o and your car weighed 3k lbs? what did you take out? or what were you even talking about there?
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Originally posted by KamaroL98
That still dosent look like a 400+hp Z28 at all in the 1st video. It looks like it could be a 400hp camaro on the second video, the civic might run somewhere like high 12s best and the Z28 mid 13s on motor and low 12s on nitrous.... Its very questionable.
So, i asked my buddy whos pushing 28lbs of boost into his acura, i figure he would know about where a stock prelude pushing 9lbs of boost would be. He said a stock lude with 9lbs will have around 220hp and mabey run 13.80s with a mph of like 98-102. So i dont believe its just a stock lude with only 9psi.
That still dosent look like a 400+hp Z28 at all in the 1st video.
It looks like it could be a 400hp camaro on the second video, the civic might run somewhere like high 12s best and the Z28 mid 13s on motor and low 12s on nitrous.... Its very questionable. So, i asked my buddy whos pushing 28lbs of boost into his acura, i figure he would know about where a stock prelude pushing 9lbs of boost would be. He said a stock lude with 9lbs will have around 220hp and mabey run 13.80s with a mph of like 98-102.
So i dont believe its just a stock lude with only 9psi.
again psi is irrelevant in this situation. it means NOTHING. its a number. i would also like to know what kind of turbo your buddy is running with 28 lbs of boost and what kind of numbers hes making.
AGAIN, WITHOUT KNOWING ANYTHING ABOUT THE INDIVIDUAL MODS ON THE LUDE, PSI MEANS NOTHING. ABSOLUTELY ZERO.
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Hey, im just saying what my buddy said a stock lude with just 9lbs of boost will do. This group has built some really fast acura/hondas and have been for a long time.
Lude - turbo with 9lbs
Z28- lid and ported Maf
Thats all i saw listed as mods o nthe video...
Lude - turbo with 9lbs
Z28- lid and ported Maf
Thats all i saw listed as mods o nthe video...
Last edited by KamaroL98; May 10, 2004 at 09:25 PM.
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i started to see if this thread contianed the link to the prelude dyno numbers but i decided i would post them anyway. so here it is:
http://www.solid-technology.com/brian/preludedyno.jpg
379whp and 306wtq
now heres the camaro dyno sheet:
http://www.solid-technology.com/dynos/camarodyno.jpg
400rwhp and 393rwtq
thats a difference of 21 whp. but yet the prelude weighs ATLEAST 500 lbs less. i guess the words POWER TO WEIGHT mean nothing to the naysayers in this thread. face it. the camaro lost plain and simple to the prelude. these dyno sheets and the cars overall weight and its powerband prove why.
http://www.solid-technology.com/brian/preludedyno.jpg
379whp and 306wtq
now heres the camaro dyno sheet:
http://www.solid-technology.com/dynos/camarodyno.jpg
400rwhp and 393rwtq
thats a difference of 21 whp. but yet the prelude weighs ATLEAST 500 lbs less. i guess the words POWER TO WEIGHT mean nothing to the naysayers in this thread. face it. the camaro lost plain and simple to the prelude. these dyno sheets and the cars overall weight and its powerband prove why.
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Originally posted by KamaroL98
Hey, im just saying what my buddy said a stock lude with just 9lbs of boost will do. This group has built some really fast acura/hondas and have been for a long time.
Lude - turbo with 9lbs
Z28- lid and ported Maf
Thats all i saw listed as mods o nthe video...
Hey, im just saying what my buddy said a stock lude with just 9lbs of boost will do. This group has built some really fast acura/hondas and have been for a long time.
Lude - turbo with 9lbs
Z28- lid and ported Maf
Thats all i saw listed as mods o nthe video...
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* SFP Manifold (HPC Ceramic Coated)
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* 780cc Siemen Deka Injectors
* Turbo XS Type-H Blow Off Valve
* Custom-Spec IRC Intercooler with 24x8x3.5 Spearco Core
* Turbo XS High Performance Boost Controller
* Custom 3-inch Mandrel Exhaust
* Magnaflow 3 Inch Muffler
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Originally posted by KamaroL98
Ok, now how is he achieveing that with just 9lbs of boost? Thats the part alot of people are still cloudy about.
Ok, now how is he achieveing that with just 9lbs of boost? Thats the part alot of people are still cloudy about.
also, like me and geoff have said, 9psi doesnt mean much. what means more is if the turbo is operating in its efficiency range as well as how much air it flows. boost is a measure of resistance the air entering the motor has. thats why a turbo ls1 can run 10psi on a bone stock motor and make 450 theoretical rwhp and then put on ported LQ4 heads and a turbo spec cam as well as say a FAST intake and make 550 theoretical rwhp at 7 psi. the resistance is less therefore it takes less boost pressure to make more hp.
in part the actual flow rate (in CFM) as well as turbo size and efficency means more than actual boost pressure.
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I showed him the video and mod list, and he said the Lude can run best is high 12s with that turbo.. In my opinion it looks like two 13 second cars. I got to believe him, becaus that just dont move like a 400hp camaro. So i feel sorry for him if he had to have a speed shop installe an Air lid for him.
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[i]the fact that you equate a psi number to overall horsepower and trap speed should cancel any arguement you may ever have on this board. 9 psi from a t04e is going to be COMPLETELY different than 9 psi from a T76. end of story. you CANT argue that and if you try to you are a damn moron. [/B]
thats all I got to say.
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Originally posted by KamaroL98
I showed him the video and mod list, and he said the Lude can run best is high 12s with that turbo.. In my opinion it looks like two 13 second cars. I got to believe him, becaus that just dont move like a 400hp camaro.
I showed him the video and mod list, and he said the Lude can run best is high 12s with that turbo.. In my opinion it looks like two 13 second cars. I got to believe him, becaus that just dont move like a 400hp camaro.
sorry I just wanted an reason to post that
facts are facts that z28 makes 400hp. and it got beat by a Prelude on low boost.
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I am amazed out how insecure people are here. someone posts thier fbody running 11 flat. he gets "thats nice, wish my car was running like that, awesome etc.." post a honda running 10.80's and you get "so what? there is a faster camaro out there somewhere. he probably spent 50 grand to do that" Im sorry fbody owners dont even have the maturity to accept these things.
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I hope your not refering to me. I am only talking about the particular prelude in the video that only caught my eye becaus the poster said the camaro had 400+hp and it appears stock to me in the video, dosent squat when it takes off or anything. And even more so after someone who has been workign on hondas/acuras for a long time tells me that set up will get high 12s best, a 400hp LS1 would walk all over a high 12 sec car, like a prelude thats good for 250rwhp.