"At 100mph he had em by a car brian"

Why do the Import guys seem to stop at 100 or less? I had a guy in an NSX today race me to 60mph and then threw his flashers on.

 

i fail to see how that has any direct relation to this thread other than the fact that the people you speak of and the people in the video drive imports. stupidity is everywhere. you should here some of the bullsh*t i hear spewing from fbody owners mouths around here. or even the old school guys makin claims about how a carb is so much better than fuel injection.

 

The mods on the Z are straight BS, OR that Honda had more than they are telling. And whats to say they don't? If they said all the LS1 had was ported MAF on the vid, then what's to say the Honda didn't have a built motor with turbo + N2O?? Think about it, just pointing out the obvious possibilities...


I've beat more than my fair share of turbo Honda/Acuras in my 13.2 Nissan...please. They're NOT THAT FAST.


I'll let you fellas know how my next race with one goes. It just so happens that a buddy of mine has a '95 Civic w/ GSR swap and T3 running 10psi. He just got his turbo kit on a couple of weeks ago and had it tuned. We are both friends and he just wants to see how it would fair against my ride, me on spray, him on boost.


The only thing I've changed on my car is bumped the shot up to a 100. It's prolly a 12.9/13.0 car like it sits on radials. I'll let you all know how it goes down...




Jon

 

you cant honestly be serious. you are calling BS on mods THEY did to the camaro?! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. a dyno sheet was already posted. and if you look in the file name it even says its a camaro dyno sheet. please try harder next time.

 

Re-read the post . Prefferably starting from the "OR" in the first sentence on after...



Jon

 

lets speak hypothetically here for a minute.

that prelude is prollymaking 250-300whp or so and weighs in around 2700 lbs. that ls1 is pushing 400rwhp and weighs prolly close to 3600 lbs. there is no reason why the prelude SHOUNDLT pull that ls1 on the highway like that. and before you call BS on makin those numbers, you may wanna have a look around on honda-tech.com and see what kind of numbers a boosted stock prelude is going to make. hell even look at the dyno sheet on the site that lude is from. i can PROMISE you 100% that if the lude had a built motor, he would have pulled about 3 times as many cars. even when the camaro sprayed it would have been one sad race.

*EDIT* the race only lasted to 100 because it was over. the camaro was already about 1-2 cars behind and it wasnt gonna catch up.. me personally, i would have kept going just to further the embarassment. but thats just me.

 

"this comment is retarded first of all psi doesnt tell you how much power your are making secondly a 500hp ls1 will not trap 130 it does have h/c and nitrous and makes 500hp..it wont trap 130...."


First of all. The engine is a stock prelude motor. If you told me it had 9 psi on a stock prelude motor, I'd have a fairly good idea how much power it was making. In this case, psi CAN give me an idea how much power its making. Now, if it had ported head, cams, other modifications, or no type of car was listed.. wellll .. then maybe your statement would be true. Not only that, but it TELLS you in the video how much power its making. Thats not enough power to run anywhere near the 125mph+ traps your friends car should run.

"but I guess you are gonna respond.. no I meant to say if it had stage 3 heads a very large cam every bolt on and a 200 shot it would trap 130."

BWHAHAHAHAHAHA. Get a life. You obviously took my statement of Cammed/Sprayed ls1s = 125-130, and picked the very highest number (130) because you wanted to argue. Nice. I'm sure you argue about everything with everybody and try to FIND things to argue about. Please take a visit to www.ls1tech.com. There are several cars in the 125-130 range as I stated, and perhaps you could learn something. The 130 does happen to be a pretty wild setup in most cases. But common sense would tell you 125-130 means that 125 would be less wild than 130 in most cases. FYI.. the fastest heads/cam ls1 car in the country traps 130.6 with a 228/228 cam, stage 2 heads and NO nitrous. Loser. *wink*
If you don't think a cammed/sprayed ls1 car is capable of 125-130 mph, just go read. There are tons in the 126,127,128 range.. and in several cases up to 130 and past depending upon setup. Your friends car obiviously is pretty hardcore. Running slicks with a 100 wet shot and a decent cam with weight reduction, a 10 second slip is not uncommon. Have a nice day. If your going to argue about my statement, at least take time to try and prove it wrong first.

Fbody owners are the only people I have seen who tries to make their car seem better than it really is by making half statements and leaving gaps and then on top of it making more misinformmed comments about another car he knows nothing about... "an ls1 will trap 130 with h/c and nitrous.... no matter what h/c and how little of a shot".... "oh yeah and um...PSI is a direct indication of HP output... no matter what turbo.. its all the same output per PSI.."

I actually know alot about hondas. Asshat. You are making an assumption that I don't to even argue about this. Get a life. You can't make arguments like yours, when your talking about something you don't know about.. and thats me. It's obvious that for whatever reason you argue more than any woman I've seen in my life. Grow some *****.
The truth is several cars with heads/cam trap over 125 WITHOUT nitrous and with smaller cams than your friends. Hell, John Raughammer trapped 124mph with a 224/224 cam 3-4 years ago. You have NO clue what your talking about. And as for the last comment, I've already answered that above. Nobody ever stated 9 psi = so much set horsepower. You obviously are just trying to find something to argue about.. You succeeded in looking like a jackass.

Josh

 

A prelude with driver, and added weight of turbo/piping/intercooler is definately more than 2600lbs. Probably a bit over 3000.

Josh

 

If the honda was stock with just 9psi And the camaro had heads, cam, and nitrous on that then the LS1 would have won bad no contest unless it was wayyyyy out of tune or something. Based on some of my past experience running a few turbo hondas, i would have to say its a stock LS1 with a 'little' dry shot.

I can believe he was on motor that first run where the honda won and on nitrous that second run where he pulled two cars. From a roll the turbo 4 banger would run better from a roll the higher mph they start from.

When my car was 100% stock except for like gears, catback, and lid i ran an Acura with a built bottom end pushing like 15-20psi cant remember how much becaus i ran it alot of times dureing his different stages of modding from a stop and pulled like 5 cars and all i had was a 150 shot. From a roll i raced his buddies car which was very similiar to his from a 50 roll and only pulled 3 cars. These guys had built bottom ends, head work, good turbos and over 9psi. I was at a shop where this same group put a turbo on a 'stock' honda and it would be lucky to see 13s. Their is alot of tuneing and everything to take into consideration with putting a turbo on a car liek that, some can come out complete turds and come can roll of right.

 

well first you can't count the driver, because the Z/28 ain't gonna drive by itself either. so if you add a 200 lb driver in the Prelude, then you have to do the same to the Z/28.

turbo piping is not that much weight. the manifold is just an inverted header, so it's the same weight almost...might even be lighter if the stock header is iron and you're swapping to alluminum....then you got some extra pipes connecting to the turbo. maybe 150-200 lbs for everything including intercooler.

 

what about the size of the turbo? do you know what turbo it is? how about the size of the intercooler and the amount of timing and the type gas? if he's running race gas, has a big intercooler....therefore can run alot more timing, wouldn't this swing the HP significantly at the same PSI vs. 93 octane, no intercooler and lots of timing retard?

 

A "stock" Prelude on its best day might see 150-160whp. So you're saying with nothing but a turbo, he's increased WHP by 100-150??? Sorry...

As has already been stated, you might want to take a stroll over to LS1.com and do some research. There are MANY H/C NA LS1s in the 10s trapping 125+. Then you're talking about spray on top of that.

I've got a friend with a '00 SS A4 with JUST cam and bolt-ons who runs consistent 11.5s @ 120ish.

You want to talk hypothetically??? Let's talk REALISTICALLY. No stock motored H22 w/ boost is gonna trap even 120.


Case CLOSED





Jon

 

prove me wrong. with MULTIPLE links.

the cam in question here is a 228R. i would take a guess its similar in size to the TR224. seeing as tho it put out similar numbers as a 224 cam i would say im right also. and the fact remains, ive NEVER seen a tr224 cam and heads car with an m6 run a 10 anything NA. i will stick to that until proven wrong.

thats funny, i have a friend that went 12.2@ i believe 120 with a turbo civic on a stock motor with bolt ons and NO weight reduction.

im gonna take a page from your guys' playbook here and call BS until you prove me wrong with MULTIPLE links to DIFFERENT cars. until then you are full of BS.


yes it is.

 

dist0rtion_69


First of all I chose 130mph because thats what you said I do beleive you are now admiting thats on teh extreme side and was used to exalt the ls1 to make it seem really ****ing good. now here is where I am calling you an idiot. I didnot say or imply ls1's wont trap 125 with heads cam and spray, I my self have done that several times. but I notice how you keep using your lowest number to help adjust your point because you see how you sound. I also like how you came out and directly said that I said. an ls1 wont trap 125 with heads cam and a power adder...

as far as a stock lude on 9psi. it still doesnt tell you at all how much power it will make// here is a quick question.. what what will the following turbos make on a stock prelude at 9psi. an sc61 with a t3 housing and .69 a/r a to4b .54 trim with a .48 a/r. and a t76 with a t4 housing and a .82 exhaust wheel??? answer those questions and tell me how much power.. seeing that turbo size/specs and tune has NOTHING to do with final output. only the PSI.

and to conclude. you asked me to do my reasrch on ls1tech?... have you even got to my level yet? you mod list consist of **** that I consider minor bolt ons suitable for someones little neice I am building a twin turbo ls6, I am already out of your league little boy. if you wanna know anything about cars just send me a PM until then let grown folks argue. btw lemme know how much power those 200mph white face guages added

p.s because I strongly beleive you still dont understand what i said I will use an extreme graphical example of what I am saying..THESE TURBOS will not make the same power pound for pound. 9psi on the bigger one is compressing a larger amount of air. do u understand that?

 

dist0rtion_69


First of all I chose 130mph because thats what you said I do beleive you are now admiting thats on teh extreme side and was used to exalt the ls1 to make it seem really ****ing good. now here is where I am calling you an idiot. I didnot say or imply ls1's wont trap 125 with heads cam and spray, I my self have done that several times. but I notice how you keep using your lowest number to help adjust your point because you see how you sound. I also like how you came out and directly said that I said. an ls1 wont trap 125 with heads cam and a power adder...

as far as a stock lude on 9psi. it still doesnt tell you at all how much power it will make// here is a quick question.. what what will the following turbos make on a stock prelude at 9psi. an sc61 with a t3 housing and .69 a/r a to4b .54 trim with a .48 a/r. and a t76 with a t4 housing and a .82 exhaust wheel??? answer those questions and tell me how much power.. seeing that turbo size/specs and tune has NOTHING to do with final output. only the PSI.

and to conclude. you asked me to do my reasrch on ls1tech?... have you even got to my level yet? you mod list consist of **** that I consider minor bolt ons suitable for someones little neice I am building a twin turbo ls6, I am already out of your league little boy. if you wanna know anything about cars just send me a PM until then let grown folks argue. btw lemme know how much power those 200mph white face guages added

p.s because I strongly beleive you still dont understand what i said I will use an extreme graphical example of what I am saying..THESE TURBOS will not make the same power pound for pound. 9psi on the bigger one is compressing a larger amount of air. do u understand that?


I said 125-130.. Its a range.. If I said guys had dicks ranging size 3"-15". That would mean the average dick is still 6". And since your ***** enough to be arguing like a woman, your probably drooling over my analogy.

I don't use my lowest number to prove my point. I already stated H/C cars have trapped 130.. MUCH LESS with spray. Idiot. Please read again, and tell me what part of my last examples you didn't understand. I do however understand not all cars are the same and some will run 125, some will run 130.

I said a rough idea with the turbo. What do you think ones going to make 400rwhp and one 250rwhp ********? I can tell you right now that a stock prelude motor 9 psi isn't going to run with a heads/cam/spray ls1. The end. That isn't even rough idea, thats just common sense.

You are "building a twin turbo ls6" and I'm out of your league? Call me up when you actually get it done.. asswipe.. Everybody and their brother is "building" something. Talk **** after its done, not while you have a turbo laying on the table and want to act like you're a badass.

Again.. my point is.. A heads/cam/spray ls1 would have slaughtered that prelude 9psi on stock engine.. The end. You can continue arguing with yourself about something that you should know the answer too.. However, I would seek therapy with your arguing problem, because you know this is the truth.. and trying to get into whose got the biggest dick arguments over your turbo setup doesn't prove anything other than your just arguing for the sake of argument. You know damn well that prelude doesn't trap 125-130 with 9psi on a stock engine regardless of which turbo you strap on it.

"well first you can't count the driver, because the Z/28 ain't gonna drive by itself either. so if you add a 200 lb driver in the Prelude, then you have to do the same to the Z/28.

turbo piping is not that much weight. the manifold is just an inverted header, so it's the same weight almost...might even be lighter if the stock header is iron and you're swapping to alluminum....then you got some extra pipes connecting to the turbo. maybe 150-200 lbs for everything including intercooler."


My car weighed what you listed WITH driver.. With no weight reduction and all power options. This guy also has some weight reduction modifications. Such as lightass rims.

Josh