Whoever started the thread said it was a stock prelude running 9 psi. How does that relate to a fully built teg motor running 14 psi w/race manifolds, headwork, etc?? It doesn't matter anyway....looks like the threads done.

Jason

 

Jason. 379whp at 9psi on whatever turbo he has is not unusual. preludes are supposed to make that much on low boost from any decent turbo. what is it you are questioning? if you dont know much about hondas say that you dont, but dont question something that is supposed to happen when someone who knows tells you it is. look at this thread http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=859265 357 hp at 10psi konig has a small intercooler and turbo I have seen h22's making 470hp on 15psi on 60 trim turbos. 379@9psi is not unusual especially if he is running moore than 18 degrees of advanced timing, which increases hp output per pound expotentially. and btw Mike doesnt have headwork. and he is running a stock intake manifold that 449whp was on a motor that has less compression. ona motor already .4 litres smaller than an h22 which is big difference in these motors. and it wasnt some random link I actually know him in real life.

 

let's put this to a test.

i'm in Falls Church, VA....do you want to meet up with your Fbody and i'll get a Prelude?

i'll meet you somewhere in Manassas or so.

 

well that's exactly what i got, an A4, 3.23 and an NX dry kit.

and a stock Prelude can run with a stock LS1 Fbody if the Prelude sprays.

see the point here?

and your $1500 here is coming in there quite low just to make the Fbody look good.

0711 NX dry kit on Sale, window switch, purge kit, shipped
exact kit i bought from Nitrous Dave
0040 nitrous
0150 bottle warmer
0030 nitrous guage
0740 yank converter
0350 install converter
0300 Nittos DR 16"
0030 mount/balanced
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2351 total, assume self install on nitrous kit


a) you make it sound like it's only going to cost $1500...what.... are nitrous refills free now?

b) the cost of refilling nitrous will catch up.

c) there's not much respect to spraying nitrous on a stock car. spray it on a built LS1 with heads/cam, then that's a different story. otherwise you're just another Honda on a bigshot.

d) don't make it sound like that stock 10-bolt on drag radials and 125 shot is bulletproof....far from it....even with the converter.

e) 3200 stall converter will F up my gas mileage.....i drove over 25k miles last year and got an average of 19-20 mpg. i'll be looking at 16-17 with a stall and it's going to suck like hell driving in Wash DC bumper to bumper traffic.

 

just like how many times we read about a built Fbody beating a stock Z06.....Viper.....Modena....<insert faster car here> ....and everyone cheering him on. but when your particular brand of car gets beaten, then the crying starts....not talking about you, but the average insecured whiners.

 

If the car was a M6 then I could see it not lasting but it has been proven MANY times that the stock 10-bolt will take large amounts of HP from an automatic tranny. Nothing is bulletproof.

 

i live in the Wash DC Metro area and we have plenty of Fast & Furious boys around.....and what you're saying here is more true than the other guy saying that Hondas and crap challenging V8s.

it just doesn't happen...well very, very, very rarely it does....they may have tried it once or twice when they first bought their car, but that's about it.....unless they enjoy getting whopped on all the time....by trainlengths.

many times they're afraid to even pass me when i'm just cruising.....and when i approach a light, i don't even take the empty slot because if i do, the Civic guy would be afraid to drive faster than me....so he starts to pace me, which is more annoying.

and when i'm next to a faster car, like a Z06....i get scared just like they do, and i hesitate to pass it....or take off real nice and slow when we are both at pole position at a redlight.

now when they see something in their class, then they do stupid crap (with each other)....but don't we do the same when we run into a formidable foe?

 

i'll tell you this much in response to your "just to make the Fbody look good" remark... to all you *******s that want to assume what my intentions are or put words into my mouth- **** you. clear enough?

now, that's out of the way. my intentions were to show that one can get an ls1 fbod well into the 11's and run with/beat a z06 for not much money, stay legal, not ruin your gas milage and keep your 10-bolt. $300 for drag radials, $700 for a nitrous kit and $600 for a 'verter. oops, that's $1600 in parts. sorry. as for you including shipping, tax, install, wheel weights and whatever else... you forgot to include the cost of band-aids for the cuts and scrapes for installing the nitrous yourself.

as for the prelude/ls1 thing. i don't see your point. i don't ever recall stating that a honda on spray can't take an fbody. in street racing it's all about running what you've got. if you loose to a 'lude on spray then you didn't have enough and better luck next time. imports, domestics, whatever...

now, to your other points...

a) noper.... not many hp making mods are gonna stop costing you money after the initial purchase.

b) will catch up to what? also see my response to "a)"

c) i don't give a rat's *** about what other ppl think of my mods. especially if i beat them. but everyone is different, so you have a point.

d) the stock 10-bolt has proven itself many times with a nice verter, good power and nothing stickier than drag radials. while nothing is bullet-proof, it is faaaar from the ticking time-bomb that you portray.

e) yep, a 'verter will f'up your gas milage if you drive in bumper to bumper traffic a lot. folks that don't live in congested urban areas prolly won't notice much of a difference. i dunno about your car, but my tc locks in od around 40 mph under light throttle. on a road trip or non-urban driving, i doubt anyone would notice a difference at all. so i concede that point, but only under your specific circumstances.


here is a little something to for all to consider when dissagreeing with another-

1- you would do well not to generalize. it is divisive (ironic, that) and will **** ppl off. instead of bringing ppl around to see your point of view it will polarize folks. if you have to name names, then for god's sake, do grow a sack and name them. don't be a ***** and hide behind generalizations. and if you do find that you have to generalize ppl, terms like "some", "a few", "most", etc. are excellent qualifiers.

2- be specific in your arguments. the best arguments are made point by point as are the best rebuttals.

3- don't assume anyone's motivation or put words into the mouths of others. not only is it wrong and unfair, it will breed contempt towards you and will more than likely loose any chance you had at getting that person to see your point of view.

 

racing is a endless sport, meaning if you get beat what is the first thing most people do? they run home and start looking for upgrades for their car, hoping they run into the the same car again to show him what he can do now!! thats what makes racing (RACING) and fun. it all starts as a little friendly race then when some one gets beat and they take it to heart!! if you don't want to get be then don't race!!and for the record their are alot of (F-BODY) runing around thinking they are the ****, .I know cause i use to be one of them,and the same goes for (IMPORTS) no matter what you do there will always be some one faster!!!

 

well considering that your choice of words got sensored, the answer is no...you're not being clear at all....adn you need to take your medication too.

gee, the cost of bandaids are now about $350-400...since that's how much it cost to install a converter.

the point is that if one side cries about how it takes a highly modified Prelude to beat a near stock Fbody, then the same can be said about it taking a highly modified Fbody to beat a stock Z06.

well address this to the whiners, not me.

you're not making any sense here. you said that it cost $1500 to run with a Z06 by spraying...i'm saying that you're not including the recurring cost of refilling the bottle, which is a significant factor.

will catch up to buying a supercharger or doing heads cam.

your point is in the minority.

show me where i portrait it to be a time bomb. show me. you made it up.

you're the one who said that on with DR, 125 shot, converter...will "keep the stock 10-bolt INTACT"

wtf does INTACT imply?

i'm not Ms. Cleo...you are the one who said "INTACT".... i am merely questioning your usage of this term.


take your own advice. or how about telling people to F off? is that also another form of ettiquette worth considering?

i quoted what you said and argued your points....is that close enough?

quoting everything that you're saying and debatting them point for point is not?

so you didn't use that $1500 price figure to make the Fbody sound Z06-Fast while remaining cheap to mod? what wer your intentions then?

 

i'm sure you understood perfectly. assumptions can beget hostility, no?


some folks can swap a 'verter out with no band-aids or problems.


that was your point, not mine. i never "cried" about it nor even mentioned it until you brought it up in a reply to my post.



i wrote it to give you my perspective on it.



i understand. and i'm saying that it is incidental compared to other systems that use more resources all the time such as a big cam and it's added cost of fuel. my point is that there are very few mods that add big power that don't continue to cost down the road.



it will take a lot of bottle refills to equal the cost of an fi or h/c package.



that may be so, but i'm pretty sure that you already understand that i don't care about such things.



"oh, and bye-bye to the 10-bolt rearend too". sound familiar?


lol @ Ms. Cleo.

intact meaning that someone doing said mods can resonably expect the 10-bolt to lead a long and healthy life by not gernading.




i've absolutely no problems with my own advise. did i deviate? and if you fell like telling me to f off, then that is your prerogative.



yep. thanks.



never claimed that you didn't. thanks for the effort and your html skills are better than most.



that figure is out of context. another no-no. what i wrote wasn't to make the fbody to look good, it was to refute-

"when an Fbody is mod to hell and sarcrificing gas mileage (14-17mpg) and risk getting impounded by some states for not running cats in order to make enough power to beat a STOCK Z06...then it's great. oh, and bye-bye to the 10-bolt rearend too."

the fact that is is relatively cheap is just icing on the cake and only part of my point as a whole. if that makes the fbody look good to someone, then so be it.

now, this has come to the point where this thread will probably get locked. if it does and you would like to continue, please pm me.