lemme just say WOW!!!!
Registered User
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 8
From: What's the difference, I've got nothing for sale
^Well said sir. I agree with you and Demon's Camaro, you both make intelligent comparisons and have an open mind as many others need to.
I have had Mustangs 1 Camaro and currently a LT1 T/A.
For me, the Mustang is a much easier car to get in or out of, much easier to work on and drive.
Many continue with the LSX is better blah, blah, but the Terminator Cobras have fully forged engines and can handle 1000hp with NO ENGINE WORK! Beat that.
As for those who think a Trailblazer SS is a sick ride, it surely is, but stands no chance against a 2nd gen Lightning.
The Termi Cobras are 12 sec. cars easy, LS1 are close to that but requires a highly skilled driver.
As for this race in question-no chance the driver was any good at all, or lost on purpose. A LT1 will stand no chance against a Termi-even with some bolt-ons.
As for the stock vs. stock debate. My '01 Bone stock GT ran 13.9 at 100mph with me driving and spinning through 1st with 2.4 60 ft. They are a quick car for sure and much, much cheaper than a F-body of the same year.
A buddy of mine has an '02 SS and runs mid-13s stock, yes you can beat a Mach 1 but it's really a driver's race.
As for those who think the Termi was overpriced, get a clue. It was a few thou more than a WS6 or SS when it came out and has a lot more going for it than those do.
There are always gonna be guys who are die-hard for one or the other and fight tooth-and-nail over what's better, blah, blah. But guess what, it's a matter of preference and there will always be haters for either side. It's not worth getting worked up over.
I have had Mustangs 1 Camaro and currently a LT1 T/A.
For me, the Mustang is a much easier car to get in or out of, much easier to work on and drive.
Many continue with the LSX is better blah, blah, but the Terminator Cobras have fully forged engines and can handle 1000hp with NO ENGINE WORK! Beat that.
As for those who think a Trailblazer SS is a sick ride, it surely is, but stands no chance against a 2nd gen Lightning.
The Termi Cobras are 12 sec. cars easy, LS1 are close to that but requires a highly skilled driver.
As for this race in question-no chance the driver was any good at all, or lost on purpose. A LT1 will stand no chance against a Termi-even with some bolt-ons.
As for the stock vs. stock debate. My '01 Bone stock GT ran 13.9 at 100mph with me driving and spinning through 1st with 2.4 60 ft. They are a quick car for sure and much, much cheaper than a F-body of the same year.
A buddy of mine has an '02 SS and runs mid-13s stock, yes you can beat a Mach 1 but it's really a driver's race.
As for those who think the Termi was overpriced, get a clue. It was a few thou more than a WS6 or SS when it came out and has a lot more going for it than those do.
There are always gonna be guys who are die-hard for one or the other and fight tooth-and-nail over what's better, blah, blah. But guess what, it's a matter of preference and there will always be haters for either side. It's not worth getting worked up over.
Registered User
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 259
From: michigan
This thread just continues to get more and more rediculous.
Demon, Sorry for making a comment about bolt-ons on a TBSS. I was just trying to make a point about them having potential.
You, as usual, change the compairson into another "what about the Cobra?" post.
The story was about a friend's Mustang GT. Nobody said anything about anything else.
You Ford guys seem to like to change around what gets compaired. When you made your post about "big brother Cobra" beating up LS1's and I brought up the LS6 'vettes your reply was "they were never meant to be compaired to 'vettes"
The whole time you guys are full of "what about this car, what about that car" and excuses.
What's next? "MY brother's, neighbor's, uncles, friend, knows a guy that has a FordGT, and he raped a bolt on LS1 TA."
Now '88saleen is posting about ultra-rare(are they even being produced yet?) and surely ultra-expensive limited prodution Shelbys racing LS1 F-bodies that haven't been produced since '02!
Why don't you go down to your local Ford dealership with 5K for a downpayment and see if you can pick up one of those Shelbys?
Let us all know how that works out for you.
If you pull that off, you can talk all the $h!t you want, 'cause you WILL be the man.
95 Bandit is the only one right........It's all preference in the end.
Now go ahead, change the rules, and get in the last word. You can have it.
Demon, Sorry for making a comment about bolt-ons on a TBSS. I was just trying to make a point about them having potential.
You, as usual, change the compairson into another "what about the Cobra?" post.
The story was about a friend's Mustang GT. Nobody said anything about anything else.
You Ford guys seem to like to change around what gets compaired. When you made your post about "big brother Cobra" beating up LS1's and I brought up the LS6 'vettes your reply was "they were never meant to be compaired to 'vettes"
The whole time you guys are full of "what about this car, what about that car" and excuses.
What's next? "MY brother's, neighbor's, uncles, friend, knows a guy that has a FordGT, and he raped a bolt on LS1 TA."
Now '88saleen is posting about ultra-rare(are they even being produced yet?) and surely ultra-expensive limited prodution Shelbys racing LS1 F-bodies that haven't been produced since '02!
Why don't you go down to your local Ford dealership with 5K for a downpayment and see if you can pick up one of those Shelbys?
Let us all know how that works out for you.
If you pull that off, you can talk all the $h!t you want, 'cause you WILL be the man.
95 Bandit is the only one right........It's all preference in the end.
Now go ahead, change the rules, and get in the last word. You can have it.
Last edited by 2nd_chances; Dec 30, 2007 at 07:06 PM.
Registered User
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 234
From: Syracuse NY
Read the first post. The thread was started about a Cobra. I have no clue as to how it went from there to what it turned into but oh well. Someone stated 4.6s suck and I said we let Cobras beat up on them. Then the s**t talkers came in. 
Registered User
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 259
From: michigan
Sorry for letting it get me worked up.
Registered User
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 1,130
From: Kentucky
When you say **** talkers I hope your not refering to me. I made one innocent statement after you went on a rampage and said "We let the Cobras beat up on them" In wich my response was simply" A cam and headers could change that" Then I added a smiley face to that just so my intentions where clear with no war intended. Just a statement. And You followed it up with a smart *** comment " Thats original" mentioning all kinds of thing in the responding post that I never commented on or rebutted to. You went on a rampage. Oh well. To the original poster,sorry for fogging up your thread with crap.
Registered User
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 2,628
From: Pgh, PA
This threads a good one lol.
As far as I see it, having worked on, owned, and drove a few examples of each this is what I can say:
99'+ 4.6 Stang
Fast
Handles Well, Rides Smooth
Brakes Well
No Squeeks & Rattles
93-97 F-Body
Little Faster, Way Torqueier
Handles Better, Rides "Stiff"
Brakes Better
Notorious for being a Rattle Trap
98-02 F-Body
Fastest, Not as Torquey to drive as LT1 feels though, stronger than 4.6
Handles Better, Rides "Stiff"
Brakes Best
Notorious for being a Rattle Trap
The clunking, squeeking, and rattling, combined with the harsher ride are what keeps the F-Body from outdoing the sales of the 4.6's. They DO have a sportier look, sportier feel, and sportier interior. And if they came from the factory with slightly softer springs/shocks, a little less plastic on the interior, and subframe connectors, they likely would have given Ford a better run for its money in terms of sales.
I personally like the LT/LS platform way better then that Stangs, but their definatly not a heaping pile of **** either. Both have their benefits. They were designed as two entirely different beasts. Ford and Chevy have two drastically differing opinions on what/how a Pony Car should be. It seems like GM targeted more of the old-school muscle crowd where Ford targeted the average consumer who just wants something faster/stronger than the average grocery getter. Both are great cars though. And the 4.6 SC has whicked potential.
As far as I see it, having worked on, owned, and drove a few examples of each this is what I can say:
99'+ 4.6 Stang
Fast
Handles Well, Rides Smooth
Brakes Well
No Squeeks & Rattles
93-97 F-Body
Little Faster, Way Torqueier
Handles Better, Rides "Stiff"
Brakes Better
Notorious for being a Rattle Trap
98-02 F-Body
Fastest, Not as Torquey to drive as LT1 feels though, stronger than 4.6
Handles Better, Rides "Stiff"
Brakes Best
Notorious for being a Rattle Trap
The clunking, squeeking, and rattling, combined with the harsher ride are what keeps the F-Body from outdoing the sales of the 4.6's. They DO have a sportier look, sportier feel, and sportier interior. And if they came from the factory with slightly softer springs/shocks, a little less plastic on the interior, and subframe connectors, they likely would have given Ford a better run for its money in terms of sales.
I personally like the LT/LS platform way better then that Stangs, but their definatly not a heaping pile of **** either. Both have their benefits. They were designed as two entirely different beasts. Ford and Chevy have two drastically differing opinions on what/how a Pony Car should be. It seems like GM targeted more of the old-school muscle crowd where Ford targeted the average consumer who just wants something faster/stronger than the average grocery getter. Both are great cars though. And the 4.6 SC has whicked potential.
Thread Starter
Registered User
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 99
From: Ms
Your right this is a "good" one for pissing contests this is right on up there
Anyways I totally agree with the previous post, and i think you kids are just silly (for all this PMSing) just like my FORD IS GOD boss... poor crazy old man
So, if ya ever see me posting anything that is Ford vs Chevy(unless its a factual comparison or a story like this) just know im just messing around with you crazy guys and theres no need to start whining about
cars.
CHEVY RULES YEAH!!!!
Anyways I totally agree with the previous post, and i think you kids are just silly (for all this PMSing) just like my FORD IS GOD boss... poor crazy old man
So, if ya ever see me posting anything that is Ford vs Chevy(unless its a factual comparison or a story like this) just know im just messing around with you crazy guys and theres no need to start whining about
cars.
CHEVY RULES YEAH!!!!
Registered User
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 167
From: Harrisville,RI,USA
Now '88saleen is posting about ultra-rare(are they even being produced yet?) and surely ultra-expensive limited prodution Shelbys racing LS1 F-bodies that haven't been produced since '02!
Why don't you go down to your local Ford dealership with 5K for a downpayment and see if you can pick up one of those Shelbys?
Let us all know how that works out for you.
If you pull that off, you can talk all the $h!t you want, 'cause you WILL be the man.
But if I wanted to It would be be easy to do. Since my local ford dealer is TASCA Ford, it just happen to be one of the first dealers shelby picked to do the supersnake conversions. Carrol Shelby and John Force were there this summer for a mustang show and to unveil the supersnake and GT500 KR. Heres a couple pics of that day
But I would'nt rule out picking one up used some day. I'm buying a new Bass boat this spring but my next purchase after that will most likely be either a used GT500,used Z06, or maybe a used Viper to add to my collection.
Last edited by '88Saleen; Dec 31, 2007 at 12:22 PM.
Registered User
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 989
From: Rochester, NY
I see you're in Greece. I watched many a football game at Hooligans this past fall out at Greece Ridge Mall. Not much to do out here this time of year with the car. But come spring I'll be hanging out at New York International Raceway Park for test and tune.
I got a friend who also lives in Greece that has a 98 Formula with bolt ons and some spray. He's a cop but I try not to hold that against him since he has a fast car
Shoot me a PM if you want to meet up with us for some racing this spring. It's only three and a half months away
Registered User
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 3,223
From: Browns Mills, New Jersey
I'm going to stop replying to your comments after this but it is a response to the well if you add this or you add that I can beat car B with car A. It is lame and overplayed. We are talking base cars and you throw out the "well add this".
Go look on svtperformance or ls1.com and even there they will tell you the 99-01 Cobras and the 03-04 Mach1s are a drivers race. Both the Ford and Chevy guys who actually have seen these cars know this. Of course you have the brand loyalists who think "OMG itz can neva loooz" on both sides but these people are blind to the real world. As for the 03-04 Cobra it is a no brainer who is going to win. And with a roots blower on top and about 75hp more it is a BETTER STARTING PLATFORM! If you add a 300 dollar pulley you can add 100hp, can you do that to a ls1? No, that is why it is better to start with a car that has most things already done to it so mod for mod the gains will be greater. The ls1 is a awesome N/A motor but stock to stock the 03-04 Cobra has the edge in a race and the gap widens with modification.
LOL, I am far from a troll as I post logical responses most of the time and educate people if they have a lack of knowledge of the competition. I own a Ford now but hopefully within a year I will have a Trans AM to go with it in the driveway.
Go look on svtperformance or ls1.com and even there they will tell you the 99-01 Cobras and the 03-04 Mach1s are a drivers race. Both the Ford and Chevy guys who actually have seen these cars know this. Of course you have the brand loyalists who think "OMG itz can neva loooz" on both sides but these people are blind to the real world. As for the 03-04 Cobra it is a no brainer who is going to win. And with a roots blower on top and about 75hp more it is a BETTER STARTING PLATFORM! If you add a 300 dollar pulley you can add 100hp, can you do that to a ls1? No, that is why it is better to start with a car that has most things already done to it so mod for mod the gains will be greater. The ls1 is a awesome N/A motor but stock to stock the 03-04 Cobra has the edge in a race and the gap widens with modification.
LOL, I am far from a troll as I post logical responses most of the time and educate people if they have a lack of knowledge of the competition. I own a Ford now but hopefully within a year I will have a Trans AM to go with it in the driveway.
Thing is if you can afford a terminator cobra then a kenne belle/whipple upgrade is probably easily attainable( For what it adds the upgrade is fairly cheap). Now its gonna take a built/FI LS1 to hang w/ that.. Your average heads and cam car wont cut the cake...A termi. puts similar or higher #'s down w/ just basic boltons(ported blower/pulley swap).
Registered User
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 989
From: Rochester, NY
Thing is if you can afford a terminator cobra then a kenne belle/whipple upgrade is probably easily attainable( For what it adds the upgrade is fairly cheap). Now its gonna take a built/FI LS1 to hang w/ that.. Your average heads and cam car wont cut the cake...A termi. puts similar or higher #'s down w/ just basic boltons(ported blower/pulley swap).
