Really? My buddies 06 GT runs 13.50's

Wonder why my 94 Z didn't run that fast with converter, CAI and exhaust

LOL... Well damn!

Man, I'd have to see that to believe it. all of my track experience is in the 1/8th; but I've got well over 500 passes, so I think that's enough to speak to what the kids are pullin' over there.

The 06-08 Mustang with a CAI will run 8.8-9ish... may a little better with solid start... and that's high 13s in the 1/4. I am not sure we've had an 09 pull in yet, but if he did, it wasn't sufficiently impressive for anyone to note that's what it was... BUT... the 06-08s and certainly the 09s are sitting on a generation of upgrades... dual overhead cams, a zillion valves popping off those cams... and they're in perfect shape.

Look... I'm a GM guy all the WAY... but ya gotta be realistic. A stock LT-1 is the best bang for the buck in my opinion... and my car is a classic example. I went from mid-low 9s (1/8th) stock to high sevens in $3500... and that bought a freshing of the stock LT1 long block on a rebuild. So what ya have there is a car with a fresh engine, set up pretty much in new condition, riding on a 12 or 13 year old chassis; sitting on the same shocks, springs, and everything else that it rolled off the assembly line on (except the tires/rims... LOL My nephew put some 20" steel "Pimp" rims on her, which were heavy as HELL... but real shiny!), with an upgraded but very conservative cam... and she will CRUSH an 08 GT... I mean there is no contest... I know it, the GT driver knows it and after one or two passes they're done and ya can't even get 'em to stage up on ya.

So yeah... in my opinion the Z28 LT1 is a far superior vehicle to the Mustang, but we gotta be honest here and just flat admit that a stock 93Z with a couple of bolt ons is gonna run 9.2,3,4 with a 2.3,4,5 60' and trapping 76-78ish mph, with the occassional 9.1 given a solid blast out of the hole... Add a set of LTs and Mickeys and you're in the top end of the 8s... and that puts ya right with the late model GTs... which is great runnin.' Classic GM /Ford passes of comparable power/speed are a BLAST!

But a stock 93 will typically have 150k+ miles; that means fairly well worn rings and the heads are gonna be loose as a goose and that means it's inefficient... add a CIA and a set of pipes (and FYI: gutting the cats does NOT a set of Headers make... by any stretch) through gutted cats is gonna get fed to the 06 Mustang with 30,000 miles, running in prime condition... pretty much every time. Hell... and that's even with ME drivin'... which is always a plus

LT1's generally tag between 13.8 and 14.2 bone stock
06-08 GT's sit right about 13.5-13.9
I've seen it done on many occasions, throw an intake and an exhaust (not headers, just a cat-back) on an LT1 and you've already closed that gap

you forgot the driver mod

4.10 gears, longtubes, suspension and slicks got me an 8.27 in the 1/8

My 94 Z runs 8.7-8.8s(Its best time as is was an 8.51) with 4.10s, an "intake' and DRs... Most of the(STOCK) New style stangs run 9.0s to 8.8s.... and uh i have about 2k passes lol

thank you

Yeah... those are great times... particularly given the mods ya listed... sounds like ya got a real freak there... And we agree on the ETs of the late model Mustangs; and that you've 2k passes is super... but ya never quite boiled this down to a point.

Got one?

And just to clarify... I am not defending Mustangs... I live to crush 'em... but the fact is a STOCK 93 Z is not going to beat a STOCK late model (call it 08) GT in the 1/8th... Why would it? It's got 15 years on it... and +/-150k miles... the 'stang's runnin' DOHC, 32 valves... it doesn't have a great suspension, but it's a brand new suspension.

Hell... I'd have raced John Force for his LIFE, after the rebuild (without the cam or the stall, leaving it completely stock, just with freshly honed cylinders, new rings; new valves, seats, springs and 1.6 rrs) IF he'd have staged up in an identical stock 96 with 152k miles on it minus that rebuild...

I stated as clearly as it can be said; that the LT1 F-body is superior to the Mustang and that's unlikely to change.

Hell... when the new Blown-Mustangs (Roush 427 was the first one I saw) came out several years ago, I thought it was the best looking Mustang since the 69-70 Fastback...

So, I took a look at 'em. $40 grand...

I'm half a second, at WORST, off that Stage 3 Roush's ET (assuming it's running DRs or slicks) RIGHT NOW and including what I paid for it ALONG WITH THE UPGRADES as it sits... I have roughly $6-grand in my Z.

Now with that said... I just dropped another $1500 on her this week and with that $7500 TOTAL INVESTMENT expended over close to two years, I expect that our 1/8th mile ET will be low 7s and that the CRUSHES $85,000 Shelby GT500 KR puts us within striking distance of modded Z06 Vettes...

Hey I am an LT1 fan myself, but in all fairness to the mustang gt's 05 to present..

"BUT... the 06-08s and certainly the 09s are sitting on a generation of upgrades... dual overhead cams, a zillion valves"

They are single overhead cam motors and 3 valves per cylinder..jfyi

.... continue please!!.....

I have enjoyed more than a few mustang crushes in the past myself!!

Oh! My bad... Maybe that's the problem...

Freakin' Ford... 3 valves and the best they can do is SOHC...

I appreciate the sarcasm there... really gets the point across... yea it is a real "freak" huh?... lol

(You know proper prepping of your car before racing helps shave hundredths off too)

Anyways, yea the 140lb driver mod helps me get alot better times then most, and I promise I am not BSing you. (gears+traction is the best thing to mod on your car at first) The 8.51 was in like 45 degree dry weather. It consistently runs 8.7-8.8 in 80 degree, and humid weather. When it was stock it ran what you said stock(LT1) Zs run ~9.2s. I posted my ~2k pass because yea well you felt the need to post your 500 so my bad for copying you

So my point was this a geared+intake LT1 with traction and a light driver is pretty much even with your new stangs assuming neither is an M6 in which case the driver mod is the most important factor.

And gratz on getting your car into the "fun" zone. I call it that because you can still drive it but own pretty much every thing on the street.

So other than the my LT1 runs 8.8-8.5 depending on weather thing.... we
agree yes?

Fun Zone for my old Z28 was 11.30's or 7.3's 1/8th and still daily driven


Now my Mustang........ 10.50's / 6.75 1/8th is a little more fun

I love when people think that the "lowly" lt1 is slow, hey its got an opti, but its still a small block chevy....been proven for more than 50 years. My car is pretty much stock, I am looking to spray it this year, just to make sure that I can beat a cobra...

Great engine - crappy body that it was put into.


My next project will either be a turbo Fairmont or a turbo LT1 stuffed into a G body Malibu

Now why would you say that? The LT1 F-body cars for the same year out handled and definately out braked the equivalent Mustang. I'll admit, the F-body wasn't the easiest when it comes to ingress and egress, but that is true for any sports car.