97 TA vs. 01 WS6
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Re: 97 TA vs. 01 WS6
Originally Posted by CANTONRACER
Sure it is boosted and let's just pretend it does not weigh over 4700 lbs with ****ty aerodynamics. But heh, I guess my 65 lbs rim/tires (EACH) don't help much...or my power robbing Dana 60...or the 4.5" driveshaft? Those things don't have much of an effect...
Again schmuckstick...point out where I said I can beat every LS1? Instead yapping about beating my Lightning which is 10 times the vehicle you own, how about maybe trying to beat my lowly LT1?
Again schmuckstick...point out where I said I can beat every LS1? Instead yapping about beating my Lightning which is 10 times the vehicle you own, how about maybe trying to beat my lowly LT1?
Shmuckstick? Your a chode.
I dont have one friend that would prefer your truck over my car. Not one. I surely wouldnt. Your weight,aerodynamics are a part of the monstrosity you drive everyday. Dont whine about about it being a handycap.You bought the truck.
All im saying is your constantly running you D*** sucker about " My truck beats LS1s" Sick of hearing how your superboosted motor destroys LS1's it get so damn old.
And yes my LS1 would beat your LT1 but you brought that one up. I could hit mid 11's without much of a problem in my LS1 but i havent launched it hard yet. Im waiting for the 9 inch. Thats my NA LS1 with a cam and headers vs your LT1 with 125+ shot of NOS I still managed to pull the same 1/4 mile time and trap 5 MPH higher then you with only a 1.78 60 ft time...hmm..Wonder if my car is faster?
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Re: 97 TA vs. 01 WS6
Originally Posted by robb4964
Id luv to see your mod list. It wouldnt take 125 shot. That would mean the LS1 has to have 470+ hp to outrun your bolt on Lt1..hmm..not likely.
Not gonna call BS on this story because anything can happen on the street.You didnt beat the car you beat the crappy driver. With the being said all you DIe hard LT1 guys who refuse the LS1 as a way superior engine come back to planet earth. Im so sick of hearing the whining. Just because you beat the car doesnt mean your is faster. A real measure of performance is track times. There is your braggin rights. Just because you beat some guy who couldt drive to save his life dont give you a faster car it makes you a better driver.
I have owned 4 LT1's and am a current owner of a 97 TA,Love my LT1. ALso own a LS1 and hate to tell you people this but there is no comparison. My buddies stock 98 LS1 auto makes my 97 feel slow and I have a hp3 tune,cai and airfoil. His car is stock. When I bought the 99 I had a 95 Camaro Z28 M6 with headers,gears.clutch,tune and my stock LS1 pulled badly from a roll. I sold it to a friend of mine and we took them both to the track after I put a lid and a Catback on the LS1 I raced the camaro.From a roll@10 mph I demolished him. At the track I was on street tires and he was on slicks. He pulled a 1.9 60 and I pulled a 2.4. I ran a 13.1@109 Vs his 13.0@105. Even though he waxed me off the line because of his slicks and gears I caught him so fast after recovering from a tire demolishing it wasnt even funny.
I did however beat a few LS1's in the LT1. One was a 01 SS and I know his car was faster then mine. It was on the interstate where LS1's pretty much rule but the Z beat him badly. Im realistic so I know for a fact it was me not the car. Thats what most of you people dont realise who have never owned anything but an LT1.
My 99 running thrue stock cats with just a few small bolt ons was faster then the majority of the cammed LT1's in my area. Owning is beleiving.
Dont take this the wrong way I love the LT1 and I have big plans for mine but Im a realist.
Not gonna call BS on this story because anything can happen on the street.You didnt beat the car you beat the crappy driver. With the being said all you DIe hard LT1 guys who refuse the LS1 as a way superior engine come back to planet earth. Im so sick of hearing the whining. Just because you beat the car doesnt mean your is faster. A real measure of performance is track times. There is your braggin rights. Just because you beat some guy who couldt drive to save his life dont give you a faster car it makes you a better driver.
I have owned 4 LT1's and am a current owner of a 97 TA,Love my LT1. ALso own a LS1 and hate to tell you people this but there is no comparison. My buddies stock 98 LS1 auto makes my 97 feel slow and I have a hp3 tune,cai and airfoil. His car is stock. When I bought the 99 I had a 95 Camaro Z28 M6 with headers,gears.clutch,tune and my stock LS1 pulled badly from a roll. I sold it to a friend of mine and we took them both to the track after I put a lid and a Catback on the LS1 I raced the camaro.From a roll@10 mph I demolished him. At the track I was on street tires and he was on slicks. He pulled a 1.9 60 and I pulled a 2.4. I ran a 13.1@109 Vs his 13.0@105. Even though he waxed me off the line because of his slicks and gears I caught him so fast after recovering from a tire demolishing it wasnt even funny.
I did however beat a few LS1's in the LT1. One was a 01 SS and I know his car was faster then mine. It was on the interstate where LS1's pretty much rule but the Z beat him badly. Im realistic so I know for a fact it was me not the car. Thats what most of you people dont realise who have never owned anything but an LT1.
My 99 running thrue stock cats with just a few small bolt ons was faster then the majority of the cammed LT1's in my area. Owning is beleiving.
Dont take this the wrong way I love the LT1 and I have big plans for mine but Im a realist.
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Re: 97 TA vs. 01 WS6
^ do you have roller rockers and an electric water pump? Do you have a m6? If you answer no to any one of those, then you probably do not have 300rwhp...
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Re: 97 TA vs. 01 WS6
You guys are all dillusional.
Robb ~ Let me start with one simple fact. A bolt on LT1 CAN reach stock LS1 RWHP levels. You are comparing apples to oranges. You had a LT1 with a CAI, HPP3, and airfoil. You were probably making about 10-15 more RWHP than stock. With those mods I still wouldnt look at a LS1 car. Now, look at a correctly modified bolt on LT1 car. Throw long tubes, ORY, and a catback on there and your picking up an easy 20, maybe even 25 RWHP. Good valve springs and 1.6 RR's ... Again, another 5-10 RWHP. My car is probably making at least 20 more horse power than yours was when you "got smashed" by that LS1 car.
You car was in now way making more than 15 more at the wheels than stock. A HPP3 is good for next to nothing. Airfoil, next to nothing. And a CAI ... Maybe 10 at the wheels?
When you went to the rack and had a ****ty 60 but ran the same time, and out MPH'd him by 5 mph, that shows a few things. One, you botched the launch. Your extra wheelspin off the line could attribute to a higher than average trap speed. And I know you were spinning because there is no way your bogging a stock LS1, pulling that bad of a 60, and still going to trap at 110mph. Dead hooking off the line usually can cut a mph or more off your final trap speed. Your friend had a decent 60', and likewise, would probably have had a mph slower trap speed. Having some (Not excessive) wheel spin can give you a little higher trap speed.
Bird Man ~ You do have a point. Your not hitting 300RWHP with a A4 and bolt ons. And if its a M6 you pretty much do need either an EWP or RR's to throw you up there past 300 with other normal bolt ons. Say like CAI, Long Tubes, !Cats, Catback, etc.
And I still support my origional statement that I would run just about any stock LS1 car I could find with my bolt ons.
Robb ~ Let me start with one simple fact. A bolt on LT1 CAN reach stock LS1 RWHP levels. You are comparing apples to oranges. You had a LT1 with a CAI, HPP3, and airfoil. You were probably making about 10-15 more RWHP than stock. With those mods I still wouldnt look at a LS1 car. Now, look at a correctly modified bolt on LT1 car. Throw long tubes, ORY, and a catback on there and your picking up an easy 20, maybe even 25 RWHP. Good valve springs and 1.6 RR's ... Again, another 5-10 RWHP. My car is probably making at least 20 more horse power than yours was when you "got smashed" by that LS1 car.
You car was in now way making more than 15 more at the wheels than stock. A HPP3 is good for next to nothing. Airfoil, next to nothing. And a CAI ... Maybe 10 at the wheels?
When you went to the rack and had a ****ty 60 but ran the same time, and out MPH'd him by 5 mph, that shows a few things. One, you botched the launch. Your extra wheelspin off the line could attribute to a higher than average trap speed. And I know you were spinning because there is no way your bogging a stock LS1, pulling that bad of a 60, and still going to trap at 110mph. Dead hooking off the line usually can cut a mph or more off your final trap speed. Your friend had a decent 60', and likewise, would probably have had a mph slower trap speed. Having some (Not excessive) wheel spin can give you a little higher trap speed.
Bird Man ~ You do have a point. Your not hitting 300RWHP with a A4 and bolt ons. And if its a M6 you pretty much do need either an EWP or RR's to throw you up there past 300 with other normal bolt ons. Say like CAI, Long Tubes, !Cats, Catback, etc.
And I still support my origional statement that I would run just about any stock LS1 car I could find with my bolt ons.
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Re: 97 TA vs. 01 WS6
Originally Posted by 93redBirdMan
^ do you have roller rockers and an electric water pump? Do you have a m6? If you answer no to any one of those, then you probably do not have 300rwhp...
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Re: 97 TA vs. 01 WS6
Originally Posted by Zeueses 97 RamAir
Im making over 300 easy with 411s and crappy driver it was automatic and he had 2 lengths whatever again ls1 are better they cant be beat im sorry it was the driver your right
I never said they cant be beat. Im just saying alot of the times its the driver winning the race and thats all im sayin..
Sorry for being a realist. After owning 4 lt1's I know what they can do.
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There is a diffrence of owning cars and knowing what to to do with them
But again lets be real right its an ls1....there gods gift to racing... I have owned supras to go carts you can have 800 horsepower supra and still trap low 12s but again its what you can do with the car. Its called the right combo, my car with the original opti and wires and still trapping 105 and had a stock clutch. Now I have not raced it with all new ignition and rockers on the car and stage 4 clutch. It has already been done. GM magazine didnt a all bolt on lt1 trap 11s in the quarter all boltons with 410s auto. You can basically do anything you want with a car as long as you know what your doing. And yes for your dum *** question I dynoed 448 with 530 tq on a wet shot, and its still needs tuning. Yes ls1 stock are quick but when you start modding its a whole diffrent story.
But again lets be real right its an ls1....there gods gift to racing... I have owned supras to go carts you can have 800 horsepower supra and still trap low 12s but again its what you can do with the car. Its called the right combo, my car with the original opti and wires and still trapping 105 and had a stock clutch. Now I have not raced it with all new ignition and rockers on the car and stage 4 clutch. It has already been done. GM magazine didnt a all bolt on lt1 trap 11s in the quarter all boltons with 410s auto. You can basically do anything you want with a car as long as you know what your doing. And yes for your dum *** question I dynoed 448 with 530 tq on a wet shot, and its still needs tuning. Yes ls1 stock are quick but when you start modding its a whole diffrent story.
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Re: 97 TA vs. 01 WS6
Originally Posted by robb4964
1st off ******** your lightning is not 10 times the vehicle as my 99. Not even close. Its a huge cumbersome peice of **** that gets ugly after looking at it for a few months. A true redneck ride.
Shmuckstick? Your a chode.
I dont have one friend that would prefer your truck over my car. Not one. I surely wouldnt. Your weight,aerodynamics are a part of the monstrosity you drive everyday. Dont whine about about it being a handycap.You bought the truck.
All im saying is your constantly running you D*** sucker about " My truck beats LS1s" Sick of hearing how your superboosted motor destroys LS1's it get so damn old.
And yes my LS1 would beat your LT1 but you brought that one up. I could hit mid 11's without much of a problem in my LS1 but i havent launched it hard yet. Im waiting for the 9 inch. Thats my NA LS1 with a cam and headers vs your LT1 with 125+ shot of NOS I still managed to pull the same 1/4 mile time and trap 5 MPH higher then you with only a 1.78 60 ft time...hmm..Wonder if my car is faster?
Shmuckstick? Your a chode.
I dont have one friend that would prefer your truck over my car. Not one. I surely wouldnt. Your weight,aerodynamics are a part of the monstrosity you drive everyday. Dont whine about about it being a handycap.You bought the truck.
All im saying is your constantly running you D*** sucker about " My truck beats LS1s" Sick of hearing how your superboosted motor destroys LS1's it get so damn old.
And yes my LS1 would beat your LT1 but you brought that one up. I could hit mid 11's without much of a problem in my LS1 but i havent launched it hard yet. Im waiting for the 9 inch. Thats my NA LS1 with a cam and headers vs your LT1 with 125+ shot of NOS I still managed to pull the same 1/4 mile time and trap 5 MPH higher then you with only a 1.78 60 ft time...hmm..Wonder if my car is faster?
I find it ironic that my friends that drive f-bod's LOVE my truck...have you even sat in one, maybe drove one? Geez, I sorta own both and spent a **** load of money on my f-bod...maybe I might know something about it?
And since your talking about how your car "should" run and the word "should" was used...my lowly LT1 "should" run with my new combo low 9's...how does your car stack up now?
Something else...that best ET with my LT1 was on motor over 4 years ago with a slapped together combo...I never used nitrous...and that run was on a ****ty day.
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Re: 97 TA vs. 01 WS6
Originally Posted by CANTONRACER
Actually, my Lightning is at least ten times the vehicle that LS1 is. Let's cover a few things...I bought it to TOW my car...can your car do that? I bought it haul stuff like a truck...can your car do that? I bought knowing for minimal money ($700) I could get mid 12's on street tires(not drag radials)...all the time, over and over. Obviously you do not get the point I was trying to make about your rambling about my Lightning...LIKE FROM THE FACTORY IS DAMN NEAR COMES BULLET PROOF...did you miss it? If GM would have built the 4th gens like SVT built my Lightning I would not have had to buy a 12-bolt...a th-400, racing driveshaft, racing converter, etc..etc...etc...so choke on it. It handles 500+ rwtq EVERYDAY and never EVER misses a beat.
I find it ironic that my friends that drive f-bod's LOVE my truck...have you even sat in one, maybe drove one? Geez, I sorta own both and spent a **** load of money on my f-bod...maybe I might know something about it?
And since your talking about how your car "should" run and the word "should" was used...my lowly LT1 "should" run with my new combo low 9's...how does your car stack up now?
Something else...that best ET with my LT1 was on motor over 4 years ago with a slapped together combo...I never used nitrous...and that run was on a ****ty day.
I find it ironic that my friends that drive f-bod's LOVE my truck...have you even sat in one, maybe drove one? Geez, I sorta own both and spent a **** load of money on my f-bod...maybe I might know something about it?
And since your talking about how your car "should" run and the word "should" was used...my lowly LT1 "should" run with my new combo low 9's...how does your car stack up now?
Something else...that best ET with my LT1 was on motor over 4 years ago with a slapped together combo...I never used nitrous...and that run was on a ****ty day.
Its a matter of perception and subjective opinion in wich case you think your opinion about your truck is just a fact.
And im not sure what the payload is on a lightning but it is about usless as far as being a truck.
How does my combo stack up now? Run 9's then brag. Until then shut the hell up.
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Re: 97 TA vs. 01 WS6
Originally Posted by Zeueses 97 RamAir
There is a diffrence of owning cars and knowing what to to do with them
But again lets be real right its an ls1....there gods gift to racing... I have owned supras to go carts you can have 800 horsepower supra and still trap low 12s but again its what you can do with the car. Its called the right combo, my car with the original opti and wires and still trapping 105 and had a stock clutch. Now I have not raced it with all new ignition and rockers on the car and stage 4 clutch. It has already been done. GM magazine didnt a all bolt on lt1 trap 11s in the quarter all boltons with 410s auto. You can basically do anything you want with a car as long as you know what your doing. And yes for your dum *** question I dynoed 448 with 530 tq on a wet shot, and its still needs tuning. Yes ls1 stock are quick but when you start modding its a whole diffrent story.
But again lets be real right its an ls1....there gods gift to racing... I have owned supras to go carts you can have 800 horsepower supra and still trap low 12s but again its what you can do with the car. Its called the right combo, my car with the original opti and wires and still trapping 105 and had a stock clutch. Now I have not raced it with all new ignition and rockers on the car and stage 4 clutch. It has already been done. GM magazine didnt a all bolt on lt1 trap 11s in the quarter all boltons with 410s auto. You can basically do anything you want with a car as long as you know what your doing. And yes for your dum *** question I dynoed 448 with 530 tq on a wet shot, and its still needs tuning. Yes ls1 stock are quick but when you start modding its a whole diffrent story.
I have concluded you are ignorant. Both My LS1's trapped higher then 105 stock. 100% bone stock. Your wrambling has nothing to do with anything.
A whole different story once you start modding? You dumbass that can be said for anything and what exactly are you saying? Do LT1's respond better to mods? do they respond just as good? The answer is no.
Its called the right Combo? Knowing what to do?
How old are you anyway? Talk to me when you own and mod both cars,
Look at my sig. I do research before I test any combos at all and unlike others I dont assume anything until I have tested or seen results from myself and others.
Apparently I am doing something right If I can get a mildly cammed LS1 with 3:73's and an m6 to easily run 11's with a mail order tune.
Your problem is you take reality as an insult. I have nothing to gain from reality except trying to explain and argue with someone who has never owned anything but an LT1.
Once again I have nothing to gain from arguing. I own an LT1 and I have owned many LT1's. I have been modding on them since their inception in 93and not just my own but My friends..friends of friends and so forth. Its not like I have never seen a modded LT1 and its not like I am bashing them.
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Re: 97 TA vs. 01 WS6
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I find it ironic that my friends that drive f-bod's LOVE my truck...have you even sat in one, maybe drove one? Geez, I sorta own both and spent a **** load of money on my f-bod...maybe I might know something about it?
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I have less then 10k in my LS1 and the includes price and mods. I bought this car 2 years ago.
I wouldnt say you know something about it. Stupid people dont really learn as time goes on.
My brother owned a lightning for a very short amount of time and so Did my neighbor,a cousin of mine and a co-worker. Only one of them still own one. that tells ya something.
I find it ironic that my friends that drive f-bod's LOVE my truck...have you even sat in one, maybe drove one? Geez, I sorta own both and spent a **** load of money on my f-bod...maybe I might know something about it?
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I have less then 10k in my LS1 and the includes price and mods. I bought this car 2 years ago.
I wouldnt say you know something about it. Stupid people dont really learn as time goes on.
My brother owned a lightning for a very short amount of time and so Did my neighbor,a cousin of mine and a co-worker. Only one of them still own one. that tells ya something.
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Re: 97 TA vs. 01 WS6
Originally Posted by HardcoreRM125
You guys are all dillusional.
Robb ~ Let me start with one simple fact. A bolt on LT1 CAN reach stock LS1 RWHP levels. You are comparing apples to oranges. You had a LT1 with a CAI, HPP3, and airfoil. You were probably making about 10-15 more RWHP than stock. With those mods I still wouldnt look at a LS1 car. Now, look at a correctly modified bolt on LT1 car. Throw long tubes, ORY, and a catback on there and your picking up an easy 20, maybe even 25 RWHP. Good valve springs and 1.6 RR's ... Again, another 5-10 RWHP. My car is probably making at least 20 more horse power than yours was when you "got smashed" by that LS1 car.
You car was in now way making more than 15 more at the wheels than stock. A HPP3 is good for next to nothing. Airfoil, next to nothing. And a CAI ... Maybe 10 at the wheels?
When you went to the rack and had a ****ty 60 but ran the same time, and out MPH'd him by 5 mph, that shows a few things. One, you botched the launch. Your extra wheelspin off the line could attribute to a higher than average trap speed. And I know you were spinning because there is no way your bogging a stock LS1, pulling that bad of a 60, and still going to trap at 110mph. Dead hooking off the line usually can cut a mph or more off your final trap speed. Your friend had a decent 60', and likewise, would probably have had a mph slower trap speed. Having some (Not excessive) wheel spin can give you a little higher trap speed.
Robb ~ Let me start with one simple fact. A bolt on LT1 CAN reach stock LS1 RWHP levels. You are comparing apples to oranges. You had a LT1 with a CAI, HPP3, and airfoil. You were probably making about 10-15 more RWHP than stock. With those mods I still wouldnt look at a LS1 car. Now, look at a correctly modified bolt on LT1 car. Throw long tubes, ORY, and a catback on there and your picking up an easy 20, maybe even 25 RWHP. Good valve springs and 1.6 RR's ... Again, another 5-10 RWHP. My car is probably making at least 20 more horse power than yours was when you "got smashed" by that LS1 car.
You car was in now way making more than 15 more at the wheels than stock. A HPP3 is good for next to nothing. Airfoil, next to nothing. And a CAI ... Maybe 10 at the wheels?
When you went to the rack and had a ****ty 60 but ran the same time, and out MPH'd him by 5 mph, that shows a few things. One, you botched the launch. Your extra wheelspin off the line could attribute to a higher than average trap speed. And I know you were spinning because there is no way your bogging a stock LS1, pulling that bad of a 60, and still going to trap at 110mph. Dead hooking off the line usually can cut a mph or more off your final trap speed. Your friend had a decent 60', and likewise, would probably have had a mph slower trap speed. Having some (Not excessive) wheel spin can give you a little higher trap speed.
As far as HP# I disagree. I drove the car before and after it and I felt a small difference.
Dont patranize me. I didnt boch the launch. What it shows is that I have more HP. And you dont know I was spinning. Was you there? Watch the video in link. Wasnt spinning there either. As a matter of fact I never trap less then 117 no matter how ****ty the launch or how little I spin.Only time I trap less is when I shift slow. Ran the car last week and nursed it off the line to avoid spin and still trapped 117 with a 2.3 60. Dont need your theroy I drive the car and have been doing this for years.
Watch the link in sig. Didnt sit and spin just went.
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Re: 97 TA vs. 01 WS6
Im retiring form this thread. Please continue to make irrelevant comments and continue to take words from my mouth after I leave to make me look like an LT1 basher wich I am not.
Ill leave this thread letting anyone reading this who has not yet read or posted that I Love my LT1 and any comments made here where strictly from life experience and research. Good day.
Ill leave this thread letting anyone reading this who has not yet read or posted that I Love my LT1 and any comments made here where strictly from life experience and research. Good day.
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Re: 97 TA vs. 01 WS6
ohh good come back its called the right combo your a moron I trapped that with a stock clutch and as far as your ls1 trapping 105 stock all i had was a catback dumass. yea you sure love your lt1 but you bash on them. We are talking about ls1 lt1 when doing the right combo LIKE I SAID BEFORE it can beat what ever you want. Bring your godly ls1 or ls2 or whatever I bet you money I will kick your *** with my 240sx first then some more with the slow lt1 then i will spray on you just to make you look more godly with your ls1.. Please do retire from this thread and go tell some other dummies what they can beat or what they can not, Look at my signature yadayada yada I have ls1s to go carts again oh let me guess can your ls1 trap 111 with all bolt ons or just catback.