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Old Jun 9, 2006 | 10:27 AM
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97 TA vs. 01 WS6

I was goin to my buddies house when I see a sick lookin Black 01 WS6 behind me. So we finally hit a light on a long straight road and I yell "Hey man you ready??" He agrees. This guy looked to be about 16 or so. Anyways, the light turns green and I immediately dead hook and tear outa the hole, he's at my bumper. Around 75 he's creepin on me, and at 95 he finally passed me. We get up to the next light and I ask him for his mods, and he says full exhaust and he's selling it soon lol. I had never raced an LS1 before and now I think its obvious that I can easily hang with a stock one. One with full exhaust will creep on me...But damn it took him long enough to finally creep by me haha!! LT1 power...
Old Jun 9, 2006 | 10:41 AM
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Good run.

With your DRs you obviously had him early but at the end he still passed you so you need some mods to correct that which I see in your sig you are planning to correct that difficiency.

I run street radials so many cars with DRs gets me out of hole but I usually (in most cases) end up going around them.
Old Jun 9, 2006 | 11:47 AM
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Yea, but what surprises me is that at only 261rwhp I was able to hold on for that long ya know? I figured he would have walked me faster than he did. Guess that just goes to show that dyno numbers are just that, only numbers...

Yea I cant wait till I get my heads/cam on there. The guy in town whom I'm buying them from is in process of taking the heads off his car, checking them out for damage, and then getting them flowed for me. Then I'm buying the heads/cam/manifold/1.7rr off him for only $650!!! Cant beat that! Has less than 7,000 miles on it all too!
Old Jun 9, 2006 | 11:55 AM
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Cool, good luck with H/C.

BTW, I used to live in Lemoore, CA., when I was in the Navy and used to go up to Fresno quite frequently. Fresno is one mad house. lol.
Old Jun 13, 2006 | 05:31 PM
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No offense, but a full exhausted LS1 would kill you, sounds like his car needs a mechanic or he needs some driving lessons. W/ your rwhp a stock 6spd would still pull you easy up top..Not trying to be a dick but dont let one race fool you...I had a 97 Lt1 w/ almost your exact mods plus 373's years ago
Old Jun 14, 2006 | 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Antz97ZNJ
No offense, but a full exhausted LS1 would kill you, sounds like his car needs a mechanic or he needs some driving lessons. W/ your rwhp a stock 6spd would still pull you easy up top..Not trying to be a dick but dont let one race fool you...I had a 97 Lt1 w/ almost your exact mods plus 373's years ago
First off...its and auto with a stall, dyno numbers mean jack unless used for tuning. And he has drs which is a huge advantage. Why do you think my car which dyno'd 330hp(errr did some tuning after dyno so it could be alittle higher) to the wheels, beat an 01 mustang with full exhaust and a vortec blower on at 9 psi oh and im a mile above sea level also.
Old Jun 15, 2006 | 01:34 AM
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First off...its and auto with a stall, dyno numbers mean jack unless used for tuning. And he has drs which is a huge advantage. Why do you think my car which dyno'd 330hp(errr did some tuning after dyno so it could be alittle higher) to the wheels, beat an 01 mustang with full exhaust and a vortec blower on at 9 psi oh and im a mile above sea level also.
Exactly, dyno numbers mean jack. Thank you for the defense lol. Oh and I am pretty sure he was an auto as well...
Old Jun 15, 2006 | 02:06 AM
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I ran a full exhaust ls1 from a dig and I have never seen him since then, but then again full suspension and dradials dont mean **** these days for an lt1.
Old Jun 15, 2006 | 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Jameslt1TA
First off...its and auto with a stall, dyno numbers mean jack unless used for tuning. And he has drs which is a huge advantage. Why do you think my car which dyno'd 330hp(errr did some tuning after dyno so it could be alittle higher) to the wheels, beat an 01 mustang with full exhaust and a vortec blower on at 9 psi oh and im a mile above sea level also.
I disagree. Dyno numbers mean a little more then just a tuning tool. Dyno numbers show how much power the car is making which in turn affects the trap speed of said vehicle. The torque converter will help you get out of hole faster (or take off from a roll a little quicker via flashing to stall speed) but will do little to help you after the race is well under way. Then it's all about gearing and the power to weight ratio (that would be those dyno numbers and trap speeds). Some cars will benifit from higher shift extensions through out the race but a internally stock LT1 is not one of those cars.

You can have the hardest hitting converter out there but if you don't have the power to go along with it then you'll be reeled in by many cars on the street as well as at the track.

To the thread starter,

Good run!
Old Jun 15, 2006 | 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by 93redBirdMan
I ask him for his mods, and he says full exhaust and he's selling it soon lol. I had never raced an LS1 before and now I think its obvious that I can easily hang with a stock one. One with full exhaust will creep on me...But damn it took him long enough to finally creep by me haha!! LT1 power...
He might have been confused on what full exhaust is. He probably had shorty headers, stock cats and a catback. Or maybe just a catback.

You can definately hang with a stock one. But a true full exhaust (especially a 6 speed) would likely do more then just creep on you at this point.

But again, good run.
Old Jun 15, 2006 | 12:55 PM
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Hmm, wonder why he's selling it. Probably because he's 16 and just realized he can't afford a car like that.
Old Jun 15, 2006 | 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by 93redBirdMan
Yea, but what surprises me is that at only 261rwhp I was able to hold on for that long ya know? I figured he would have walked me faster than he did. Guess that just goes to show that dyno numbers are just that, only numbers...

Yea I cant wait till I get my heads/cam on there. The guy in town whom I'm buying them from is in process of taking the heads off his car, checking them out for damage, and then getting them flowed for me. Then I'm buying the heads/cam/manifold/1.7rr off him for only $650!!! Cant beat that! Has less than 7,000 miles on it all too!
All them mods and only 261 rwhp, wheres it all going?
Old Jun 15, 2006 | 01:31 PM
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All them mods and only 261 rwhp, wheres it all going?
I think the shorty headers are holding him back. And maybe the 261 was with the 2500 stall unlocked. I know I lose 25 rwhp with my stall unlocked vs locked. Although at 3500 rpm's and 2.5 STR, effiency isn't my converters strong point
Old Jun 15, 2006 | 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by darrens99formul
I think the shorty headers are holding him back. And maybe the 261 was with the 2500 stall unlocked. I know I lose 25 rwhp with my stall unlocked vs locked. Although at 3500 rpm's and 2.5 STR, effiency isn't my converters strong point
I don't know that much about them I was just guessing that it should be more then that with all them mods, I thought they was like 275hp (not sure if thats rwhp) stock.
Old Jun 17, 2006 | 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Jameslt1TA
First off...its and auto with a stall, dyno numbers mean jack unless used for tuning. And he has drs which is a huge advantage. Why do you think my car which dyno'd 330hp(errr did some tuning after dyno so it could be alittle higher) to the wheels, beat an 01 mustang with full exhaust and a vortec blower on at 9 psi oh and im a mile above sea level also.
First off... I had the exact stall as him plus 373's, and DR's also on a 97 LT1...That stall speed is extrememly mild...Its not like were talking 3600 or above. Plus he's running a shortly style header..I would start to loose ground to stock LS1's as soon as it begun to stretch its legs. He would probably get a small jump on him but a full exhausted LS1 would hawk him down in no time. If he was running a 3600 or above and running long tubes then it might be a different story. I wasnt even making the dyno numbers a big issue, the point i was trying to make was that ontop of the Ls1's mods in stock form it still had alot more power then he is running at the present moment.



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