Is'nt that what the '03 cobra owners were saying about the '03-'04 Z06's and you guys jumped all over them for that excuse?

In the new Hot rod they said the shelby mustang will by only $40k and I see '05 Vettes listed in the paper for just over $50k. Hot rod also states that they heard rumors of it being the first 500 hp production car for under 40K so its possible by the time the come out they be up from 450hp (current rating) to 500hp. It could be as fast as the new Z06 for half the price!!


As for mustang drivers being cocky. I seen just as manycocky chevy guys in my time. the vast majority of them shut there mouths after I show them a 9 second timeslip though. Or the best is when they say " I know someonne who can beat you." then i come back with "but your the one talking the s*** and most likely you can't beat me."

 

I think its a bit more to it then that....
All-new aluminum block casting incorporates provisions for external knock sensors and revised oil galleries; external sensors improve serviceability
Cylinder bore diameter increased to 101.6 mm (4.00 inches), increasing displacement to 6.0 liters
Camshaft lift increased to take advantage of increased cylinder head flow
Camshaft sensor relocated from the rear of the block to the front of the block provides room for new oil galleries
Flat-top piston design with lower ring tension reduces friction
Piston floating wrist pins help quiet the engine
Redesigned, “wingless” oil pan with cast baffling has reduced mass and provides superior oil control under high-performance driving maneuvers
Revised exhaust manifolds are 33 percent lighter
More efficient ignition coils require less energy to provide a comparable spark
Compression raised to 10.9:1
Larger, 90-mm single-blade throttle body
Reduced-mass water pump design with improved sealing capability
Engine “redline” raised to 6500 rpm
Revised and more powerful engine controller incorporates all electronic throttle control functions.
Mass has been reduced by 7 kilograms on the automatic version.
Cylinder heads for the LS2 are derived from designs used in previous Corvette Z06 models, including raised intake ports and an unshrouded-valve combustion chamber design that, when combined with the engine’s flat-top pistons, produces a more efficient swirl of the air/fuel mixture. This efficiency enables a higher 10.9:1 compression ratio, which increases fuel economy and horsepower.
http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/faq.php...new_faq_item25
LS6 is considered "old" (old tech. which I would tak in a second) technology whether ya like it ot not

 

Its stiill the same core techno. Just built on.
nothing you listed here is a shock to me. Im aware that some things have changed. But Like I said, The same core technolegy. My previous statement was a figure of speech more then anything.

 

Excuse?....A Corvette is more then a straight line performer. Its outstanding in every aspect of performance. From the slalom to MPG its a worl class car.
I dont know who was making excuses for the Cobra-VS-Zo6 ..Im sure there where some people doing it,but there is really no comparison between the 2. Yeah, The cobra is nice. But a Vette it will never be.
If you pay half the price your going to get half the performance. Great, It goes well in a straight line but lets see it pull a 1.01 on the skidpad and get 28+ MPG while doing it. It wont happen. Why?..its a Mustang. Top notch for its market but out of its league in the presence of a Z06.

 

 

If you say so

 

When the '03 cobras came out thats many cobra owners said the exact same thing. "its almost as fast as a Z06 but alot cheaper."
chevy guys were like it does'nt matter the Z06 is still faster and price means nothing.
At the street races handling and braking mean squat because 99% of street races are straightline acceleration contests were handling and braking dont matter whatsoever. So if a Z06 loses to a shelby in a drag race what is he gonna say? "Well, my car handles better"
I dont know what kind of G force it can do around corners but its suposed to come with esentially the same suspension as on the Grand am Cup winning FR500C competion coupe mustang and to come with 14" cross drilled roters with brembo calipers up front and 13" rotors out back so it should stop with the best of them. an
And since the shelby is around $40k cheaper (GM hightech said the Z06 would be around $80k) they could upgrade from there and still saves $20-$30k over a Z06.

 

The mileage advantage everyone keeps quoting is more due to the deep 6th-gear overdrive than it is some amazing technological breakthrough engineered into GM engines.

 

BS...a six speed mustang dont get as good gas milage as a 400HP C-5 or C-6 with way less cubes and a pretty steep sisth gear ratio.. Not to the car, dispite its gearing,still hauls *** at the track.
Has to do something with desighn effeiceincy becasue my cammed LS1 still see's 300 Miles per tank.
Reguardless, It still does it for whatever reason.
And my stock 5.7 LS1 was seeing 30 on the highway.

 

Your missing the point. My car can run 11's...Its no Z06. My buddies 83 Z28 runs 10's..its still no Z06.
Like I said, It will always be a Mustang.
I will disagree with whoever says price means nothing. I never own either becasue I prefer my car over a Mustang and wont be able to afford a Z06 no time soon. I 450HP mustang is a nice conept and would be a Awsome car.
But for the millionth time, It's not a world calss sports car.

 

I just think your biased against fords no matter what they build. If the shelby performs as well as a 'vette its just as much as a "world class sports car" .Claiming a car is a world class sports car is'nt going to win it any races. Its the cold hard numbers that mean everything, nothing else. Its ALL about the performance. What makes the 'vette better if they happen to have the same acceleration times and if they happen handle about the same too? I feel the shelby is much better looking.
Its a matter of opinion, you would rather have a 'vette but i would rather have a mustang. thats what makes the world go 'round.
I'd also rather have your 11 second camaro and your buddies Z than a 'vette too.I always thoght that 'vettes were very nice cars but I feel they are overpriced for the performance you get for all your money. I know they were for the last 25 years they were the fastest cars made year in and year out (except in '87 with GNX,'89 Turbo T/a,'newer Vipers).But they were not that much faster than F bodies and mustangs in alot of years.Whats the difference in C5 vettes and A LS1 F- body in the quater? Probally 3 tenths? I'd much rather have a LS1 F body. And ya get a back seat.
By the way I'm not biased. Along with my Saleen I have a 2000 T/A. And when thats paid off I'm buying a '04 dodge neon SRT4 for my winter beater

 

<So if a Z06 loses to a shelby in a drag race what is he gonna say? "Well, my car handles better>

That won't happen though, not stock at least. The new Z06 is supposed to be a low 11 sec. car at 130 mph or so and is rumored to dyno over 500 rwhp. The 450 hp Shelby won't touch those numbers.

Jason

 

Accually HOT ROD magizine said that it is rumored that by the time the GT500 comes out it could be at 500hp e qual to the 500 hp that GM HIGH Tech said about the LS7. The vette will probaly be lighter by some but the differnce can be made up in drivers if the GT500 ends up having 500hp.

 

Original poster.

Stop saying you respect ford when you bashed a Ford from the beginning of your thread. Matter of fact, you were dumb as hell for racing with your wife and kids in the car. Secondly, you were dumb for yelling stupid shat out the facking window.

 

Even if they both had 500HP the z06 wirghs way less. Its a better engineered car ...period! Its such en easy thing to understand, where is the problem?