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Old 03-13-2007, 04:30 PM
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how many miles on the stock lifters?

u might be able to get by with the stock timing chain, im not entirely sure. im not entirely sure if those come with 1.5 RRs, or 1.6's, someone else should be able to clear that up.

I would look into hardened pushrods too while your in there.
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I can tell you from experience, do not try to skimp on parts when dealing with your valve train. Spend the money and get it done right the first time.

Get Crane/Comp Cams lifters or something more serious for a big cam, chro-mo push rods, make sure you've got the right valve springs, make sure they're set with the right number of shims, 7/16th rocker studs, 7/16th stud non-self-aligning roller rockers, gm guide plates, gm heavy duty timing chain, ect.
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Originally Posted by reamo04
how many miles on the stock lifters?

u might be able to get by with the stock timing chain, im not entirely sure. im not entirely sure if those come with 1.5 RRs, or 1.6's, someone else should be able to clear that up.

I would look into hardened pushrods too while your in there.
107K on the stock lifter. I'm definately getting new lifters, I'm just asking if OEM are OK. The kit comes wiht 1.6 rr.
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Originally Posted by Kain
I can tell you from experience, do not try to skimp on parts when dealing with your valve train. Spend the money and get it done right the first time.

Get Crane/Comp Cams lifters or something more serious for a big cam, chro-mo push rods, make sure you've got the right valve springs, make sure they're set with the right number of shims, 7/16th rocker studs, 7/16th stud non-self-aligning roller rockers, gm guide plates, gm heavy duty timing chain, ect.
I disagree on the lifters. If you remove the stockers and they look fine I'd run the stockers. I'd take used stock lifters over skimping and running a stock chain or stock chain replacement.
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Old 03-13-2007, 05:44 PM
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Shouldn't you always replace the lifters when doing a cam swap?

So far I have:

cc503 cam
lifters
timing chain
springs
bolts

1.6rr are like $250. Do I really need those. I'm trying to cut out parts I don't have to have.
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Old 03-13-2007, 05:49 PM
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Stock rocker arms aren't capable of handling the lift that the cc503 has. Yes, you need roller rockers with a cam like that. Don't skimp here, you'll be sorry.
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Originally Posted by BradcTA
Shouldn't you always replace the lifters when doing a cam swap?

So far I have:

cc503 cam
lifters
timing chain
springs
bolts

1.6rr are like $250. Do I really need those. I'm trying to cut out parts I don't have to have.
Replacing lifters isn't a necessity when doing a cam swap on a roller lifter motor. If it was a flat tappet cam you would want to replace the lifters at the time of the cam swap. The same thing with roller rockers, going with a nice used set can save you some dough as well.
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Old 03-13-2007, 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Colin91Z
Stock rocker arms aren't capable of handling the lift that the cc503 has. Yes, you need roller rockers with a cam like that. Don't skimp here, you'll be sorry.
I ran them for a few months, before getting my 1.6 Crane Golds. Also running my stock lifters with my cam.
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Old 03-13-2007, 07:39 PM
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Unless you're deadset on that cam, or already purchased it I'd say consider the hot cam kit like previously stated.

You can get the Cam, 1.6 roller rockers, valve springs, valve caps, valve keys, valve spring shims, for $536.54 from...*cough* GMPartsDirect *cough*

This way everythings GM quality, and engineered to work together. Get an upgraded timing set, don't run OEM. People have already listed cloyes, LT4 Heavy Duty set....I'd personally recommend a LUNATI HD set if you're budget minded. I've seen them for as cheap as $180.00 new from JEGS, and you can run the stock timing chain cover if you have a non-vented opti with this timing set (which you cannot do with a double-roller setup). Then get Chrome Moly purshrods. This will compliment everything else, and you should be able to find a name brand (CRANE, etc.) new set for around $50.00 if you hunt around. Again like previously stated, inspect you're stock lifters, if they look good run them. If you're skeptical I'd get OEM replacements, you can get 'em for $26.00/8 from GMPartsDirect.

So:
LT4 Hotcam Kit - $536.54 P/N # 12480002
Lunati Timing Set - $180.00
Chrome-Moly Pushrods - $50.00
OEM Lifters (if needed) - $52.00 P/N # 17120735

This comes to $766.54 w/out lifters...$818.54 w/lifters.

This seems to be a realistic alternative considering your budget. Just my $.02.
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Uh, the lifters are $26/per. Would bring the total to $895 w/s&h. How much better is the cc503 vs. the hotcam anyway?
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Originally Posted by Z95m6
I disagree on the lifters. If you remove the stockers and they look fine I'd run the stockers. I'd take used stock lifters over skimping and running a stock chain or stock chain replacement.
Big mistake. I did the same and mine failed.
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The lifters or the chain?
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Old 03-13-2007, 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by BradcTA
The lifters or the chain?
Lifters, I should have specified.
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The cc503 with stock heads through a M6 should put down 330-340ish. Hotcam puts down 310ish I believe.
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Originally Posted by BradcTA
Uh, the lifters are $26/per. Would bring the total to $895 w/s&h. How much better is the cc503 vs. the hotcam anyway?
The lifters are exactly $26.48 per package of 8......so $52.96 before shipping...excuse my 96 cents of error. As far as shpping goes that is arbitrary, dependent on who you buy from, how much you buy, etc. GMPartsDirect can be high on shipping, I'm merely using it as an example. You should be able to find all these parts for what I've listed or cheaper if you are patient and capable of hunting down good deals.

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The cc503 with stock heads through a M6 should put down 330-340ish. Hotcam puts down 310ish I believe.
Again, arbitrary...you'll have to be much more specific than that if you want to compare output.

...meh, I gave my opinion on a budget valvetrain build...take it for what it's worth...
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