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Shon I appreciate you coming in here, but come on - your car has had "several years" of messing with the suspension and weight reduction to get it run right. It weighs only 3100#'s, I mean i don't even see your exaust pipes in the picture on your page. You've also got an m6.

Do you really consider the car in this thread to have "barely any mods" with 4-500 lbs removed from it, a tottaly worked up suspension, sticky tires etc? I mean you run a speed shop... This is just some average Joe saying hes got a coupla boltons... He's not doing a 12.2, unless hes lying about something, or considers a cam a bolton, or is leaving something really important out, like a few 100 lbs removed from the car...

 

The guy you are talking about probably is not running 12.2 but I am saying a properly setup car with just bolt ons can run low 12's

 

What bolton's don't you have on there? You've got almost all of the major boltons by the sounds of it (I think you leftout !cat and your exahuast setup) + suspension + sticky tires. Sounds like your car is running great!

But the first post mentions a guy with barely any bolt ons hitting 12.2... in an A4. All i'm saying is that if hes doing that time he's leaving something important out...

 

I guess were in agreement then This whole thread i've been replying with the first post in mind...

 

Do you know how long we worked on this particular 97 that ran 11.80? we took it to the track 11/6/04 with few mods and ran 13.7-13.5 DA was 271-413. And from there we went back to the track in March of 05 and still ran mid 13s. Then it was ON, some weight reduction and mods started, and it all ended up on 3/25/06 running its best time, so really just a years worth of work and in that year it sat very little, we took it to the track and worked on the suspension, knowing we had NO power.
3100# is a RW with a 240# driver in the car.
I ran a Hooker Y-pipe.
And it does have most of the bolt ons that LT1s get, you can take your car or any one elses and do the same thing. Other than the 100#s of interior out of the car it would look stock on the inside.
And totally worked up suspension, nothing anyone cant buy from dealers like I did, Spohn Adj TA, Drag Bar, LCAs, PHR, BMR K-member, A-Arms, QA1 Front shocks/springs, stock rear shocks and springs. NO SFC. That is not worked up, 90% of the cars on here have these mods.

And "several years" spans over more than one car. I got tired of running door to door with Russ's bolt on car with my 355 LT4 H/I/HOT cam so I decided to go a different route. and it was worth it.

Do I believe the original question of a few bolt ons running 12.2s? I dont know, I would need to see the car and talk to the guy to find out what his definition of bolt on is but do I think some bolts ons can run 12.2s, HELL YEAH.

If anyone wants my spreadsheet of mods/dates/weather/track/etc let me know I will send it to you.

 

How about a "few" boltons?

You should put that spreadsheet on the web page, I think a lot of people would love to see how you got there!

 

A few is way less than some
I will see what I can do about putting that info up on the site, I got to work on it some more anyway

 

I think that if you correctly set up a car's suspension specifically for drag racing, you are half way there.

 

http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70475

There ya go. 11.9s and a race weight of 3500ish lbs. the breakdown on what was taken out of the car is on page 2 of that thread. Just look for post by SAR2K.

I went 12.8s with stock manafolds about 8 years ago. I don't see the big problem with getting a 12.2 with headers and other mods.

 

Again the question isn't if a Bolton car can go 12.2... Because they can. It's if a car with only a "few boltons" can do it.

Some weight reduction, drag Radials, skinnies, removed swaybar, suspension work, perfect weather etc (linky to mod_list didnt work ) were all neccessary. In the context of the original post I still think its valid to say No way with just a "few" boltons.

 

If anything a M6 will not benefit ET's over an auto.

 

How so? More curious than anything..

 

Autos are more consistent for bracket racing, but a guy that can launch and row a 6 speed is hard to beat.

 

That's the key... being able to launch. An auto is at a far superior advantage because the driveline can be loaded and it will either be or get into it's powerband much quicker. Most all auto/M6 60' comparos the auto is always quicker. Problem trying to launch a M6 is sending torque to an unloaded driveline and trying to launch w/in the powerband.

 

Thats kinda been what I've found over the years too...