what does it take to run a 12.2 in the 1/4
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Re: what does it take to run a 12.2 in the 1/4
Originally Posted by toby360
"Barely any mods" to me means no cam. Please show me a setup that will hit low 12's without nitrous, slicks and/or a blower. Match boltons all you want, without a cam you will not hit 12.2's.
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Re: what does it take to run a 12.2 in the 1/4
Originally Posted by jasonisdn
without slicks lol. so now you cant bolt on slicks huh. wanna make another rule lets think about how you can limit the factors more, huh how about 2 plug wires have to be pulled , will that help your side out more? click on the link in my previous post. 137,000 mile lt1 bolt ons only 11.8 . theres your bolt on car running more than low 12's. you can say "oh e took weight out " , "he did this he did that" FACT is hes a bolt on car, NO CAM, no nitrous, no blower. hey dont cry casue he has slicks, he is getting it done with bolt on's only.
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Re: what does it take to run a 12.2 in the 1/4
By the sounds of it this guy your mentioning ain't no Shon Herron or any of the guys who have made some REAL progress making some good #'s with bolt-ons.
Your typical LT1 will need a cam to get into the low 12's.. by typical I mean full weight street car w/o radical gearing or converter.
I went low 12's and as fast as 12.0 @ 112.81 with a 1.66 60' time with just a cc503, 2800 stall, nitto's, and bolt ons... car would have gone 11's but I bent a pushrod and hurt stuff, so that quest ended.
Your typical LT1 will need a cam to get into the low 12's.. by typical I mean full weight street car w/o radical gearing or converter.
I went low 12's and as fast as 12.0 @ 112.81 with a 1.66 60' time with just a cc503, 2800 stall, nitto's, and bolt ons... car would have gone 11's but I bent a pushrod and hurt stuff, so that quest ended.
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Re: what does it take to run a 12.2 in the 1/4
I know we're talking F-bodies here, but my buddy ran a 12.50 in his 94 LT1 Vette. MT Dr's, longtubes, 52mm TB, LT1 Edit, CAI... and I think that's it... definitely no head, cam or gear upgrades. He races in national SCCA events and has been to many driving schools. He's probably one of the best drivers and drag racers I've seen. Unless this guy has some serious weight reduction, I highly doubt he's seen a 12.2 with those basic bolt-ons.
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Re: what does it take to run a 12.2 in the 1/4
Off the shelf, out of the box, full weight 97 TA at Englishtown Raceway park; 14.2's - 14.4's through the summer.
Gear change from 2:73's to 3:42s', DR's; 13.7s
Headers, cat back, mail order tune; 13'3s
But what's the point if your're bracket racing...
Cam and 1.6rr's this weekend...
Gear change from 2:73's to 3:42s', DR's; 13.7s
Headers, cat back, mail order tune; 13'3s
But what's the point if your're bracket racing...
Cam and 1.6rr's this weekend...
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Re: what does it take to run a 12.2 in the 1/4
This is what I got when I questioned the advertised 13.53 stock times of a 1993 Firehawk.
http://messageboard.firehawk.org/viewtopic.php?t=6557
Originally Posted by Dave Hamburger from SLP
Whenever we would test a vehicle, we would test at Englishtown, NJ during March in optimal conditions.
We used an average of three drivers (magazine, a professional and an SLP tech) - the average time would be the printed time.
The F-bodies are all over the board with times, I remember in '97 we tested a bone stock SS 6spd car and the average time we pulled was somewhere in the 13.38's. Scott Kallita (top fuel driver) got in the car and then ripped out a 12.27 and he backed it up with a 12.29! (we didn't advertise that time). In 1999, I drove a bone stock Formula Firehawk six speed at Napierville Dragway outside of Montreal. Out of the box I ran 13.30's and then with my slicks I ran a 13.05.
Sea Level, Barometric Pressure, Track Conditions, Driver capabilities and the car all play a part in your ET's. Just because you may be in Denver at Bandimere Speedway and you run a 14.40 doesn't mean your car is slow. Adjust the ET based on your altitude and you may be surprized!
-Dave
We used an average of three drivers (magazine, a professional and an SLP tech) - the average time would be the printed time.
The F-bodies are all over the board with times, I remember in '97 we tested a bone stock SS 6spd car and the average time we pulled was somewhere in the 13.38's. Scott Kallita (top fuel driver) got in the car and then ripped out a 12.27 and he backed it up with a 12.29! (we didn't advertise that time). In 1999, I drove a bone stock Formula Firehawk six speed at Napierville Dragway outside of Montreal. Out of the box I ran 13.30's and then with my slicks I ran a 13.05.
Sea Level, Barometric Pressure, Track Conditions, Driver capabilities and the car all play a part in your ET's. Just because you may be in Denver at Bandimere Speedway and you run a 14.40 doesn't mean your car is slow. Adjust the ET based on your altitude and you may be surprized!
-Dave
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Re: what does it take to run a 12.2 in the 1/4
Originally Posted by Sweetred95ta
Settle down chief. I would believe he would know if his friends car had a full tubular suspension and half the car was hacked up. Not to mention the 3 gallon fuel cell that would have replaced the gas tank. We're not talking about someone who went hog wild, like some of the fast bolt on cars have done. From the way it sounds, and this is my interpretation, the car just has a FEW boltons and the kid claims low 12's. End of story. Myth busted.
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Re: what does it take to run a 12.2 in the 1/4
Na, it's cool. I completely understand where you're coming from. It just seemed that you were getting a little upset.
The myth part was something that I thought sounded cool and would finish the post nicely.
Bottom line, it's difficult to do and I would call
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The myth part was something that I thought sounded cool and would finish the post nicely.Bottom line, it's difficult to do and I would call
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Re: what does it take to run a 12.2 in the 1/4
Originally Posted by fastchevy
Even if he had slicks I guess the 'bolt ons' included a new rear end. Hard launches with slicks on a weak *** 10 bolt spells out gear oil all over the track.
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Re: what does it take to run a 12.2 in the 1/4
12.2 here with boltons in sig (if u count a cam and valvetrain as boltons)
that was on nitto 555r's - lol however 3rd pass shattered my rear...again
that was on nitto 555r's - lol however 3rd pass shattered my rear...again
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Re: what does it take to run a 12.2 in the 1/4
Originally Posted by Sweetred95ta
Na, it's cool. I completely understand where you're coming from. It just seemed that you were getting a little upset. The myth part was something that I thought sounded cool and would finish the post nicely.
Bottom line, it's difficult to do and I would call.
The myth part was something that I thought sounded cool and would finish the post nicely.Bottom line, it's difficult to do and I would call
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