Question, did Pro Performance take credit cards? If the answer is yes, then simply do a charge back. If not, and they only took paypal or wire transfer or money order, well, there isn't a snowball's chance in hell that I would have sent them money. I know some places won't take a credit card for large purchases like a crate motor, or a $50K project, but for $1500 heads? Heck, if I got mine from GTP I would make sure I got the quoted numbers in writing, take them to a 3rd party for flow testing and if they don't come within 2% as was stated as being acceptable, I'd do a chargeback.

 

In reference to Phil's comments as to why people continue to defend and/or do business with "companies" with a known poor track record. Consider that James Trafficant guy from somewhere in Ohio. He is a former Congressman who was thrown out of Congress and is currently serving time in prison for accepting bribes. He got something like 13,000 votes in the last election. Or how about Marion Berry, former Washington, DC mayor who was re-elected after serving time in prison for cocaine possession.


Rich Krause

 

Bunker, actually the lawyer thing would be a bluff anyway to see if PP would stand up for their product. After being told no about a refund I would drive to La and beat the F out of some one. As far as toasting an engine (that been done WAY TOO OFTEN with these heads) I am sure anyone would drive there as well even if they are not from Tx or a close state.

Dude, did you look at the pics of those heads? You are wanting some of those heads, HELL, gimme about 30 minutes and I'll whip ya out a set. I guess I'll have to just drill holes in em to get em to leak water since I have never been able to do that. Are you even awake? How can you say that you want a set? Did ya want em bare or assembled with good pieces and a valve job done with a flat blade screw driver and a hammer like the other ones?

NightTrain66

 

Well I dunno guys I personally don't care what the heads look like as long as they get good HP numbers. What is this everyone saying inconsistant? Inconsistant with quality or performance? Cuz they all made lots of power as I remember & never heard anyone complain. How many people get their motors blow because of these heads? 1 or 2? I'm confused I thought it was only one guy.

 

Well lets see, The guy that started this thread now has at least 1 bent rod. The rod is cheep, it is the 1 month of waiting for new heads and gaskets, oil, labor, etc for doing the job 2 EXTRA times and it is still not right.

I know of 1 guy on here from Arizona that has had hell with PP heads and lost a motor.

There was Ellis's buddy that bought Mooks heads

There may be others. If I am skipping any please post.

Also if the heads did not destroy the motor but had to be removed for problems please post as well.

I know of 2 people with their heads that made descent HP. Beast and Mike. Maybe their heads were descent and they may be CAPABLE of producing a descent head. The ones that I have seen are typical heads that the everyday person would get when buying some and they would not make HP or last very long due to valve job and/or water problems.

What the pics do not show are the valvejob that would leak, the shortside from HELL that lost 20 cfm from .550 to .600 lift and did I mention the water leaking. If these are the kinda heads you wanna use and be on the "rugged edge of making good power" let me know cause as stated before I could whip ya out a set in about 30 minutes.

These heads were bought for $1500 plus cores AND after waiting a month for more heads and doing labor again the customer found out the bottom end was damaged. Now he still has a car that doesn't run, a bottom end that needs work, and he is out lots of time, gaskets, labor, oil, etc. This may sound like fun to you but even though this guy is patient and proffesional he is about to take this serious.

Most guys after reading the first post in this thread would cross out PP from their choices of porters. Some may not have made that decision until they saw the pics. Some may not have made that decision until they found out this guys 383 was wounded due to their heads. And then there is maybe 1 person that after reading all 100 plus post still is excited about $1500 plus cores for some PP heads.

As Phil said, there is one born every minute.


NightTrain66

 

I dunno, what happened to Ellis's buddy who baught Mook's heads? What was wrong with those? I belive they were stage 3s.

 

It's friggin hilarious to see some people actually want these heads after they look at the pics Phil posted. I mean if there wasn't any other companies in the entire world other than PP that ever made good power with cylinder heads it would be one thing. But sh*t there are numerous companies and individuals out there that port or sell a proven power making cylinder head. Should I make a list. I think I will.

1. Night Train66 (I've personally seen his work and know his heads make power. )

2. Mike Yelvington ( He ported mine and Night Train66 will agree he does good work.

3. SkarodoM ( Phil does good work also, lots of people on here will agree. And have you looked at his webpage.

4. CNC Cylinder Heads ( Pete at CNC obviously does good work everytime.

5. AFR (everyone know AFR is a descent head)

That should be enough, I mean c'mon do I need to get you people hooked on phonics to understand or what. With so many other choices out there why would anybody in their right mind buy a product from a company or individual that is known to put out inconsistant work be it performance inconsistancies or quality and reliability inconsistancies? IMO they should go together.

 

It really is unfortunate.. I understand wanting to take the opportunity to make a buck, but not at this cost. Like I always tell ppl.. there are plenty of honest people to get work from.. why would you ever deal with people with a reputation for being dishonest. Too bad people didnt believe that when the handful of people on here who are experienced in this realm pointed out that it was BS & it took thousands of dollars in smoked engines to get attention. I suppose now that some people are probably looking into legal action to recover some of their wasted $, people will learn the hardway. Sad, nobody wins :-/

 

I am one of the people who bought a set of heads from beast. Compared to other heads cam cars, my car runs some good numbers. 7.6 @91 in the 1/8 with some tuning issues.

Two well respected people on this board took a look at the heads before they went on. They both told me that they are some nice looking heads.

If I had to do it all over again I would buy from them again.