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PCV System failure!...Please read!

Old Dec 14, 2008 | 04:17 PM
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Arrow PCV System failure!...Please read!

Ok this all started a couple day's ago when i noticed smoke rising from under my hood after i turned the car off.

I popped the hood and seen oil all over my passenger side valve cover,i also noticed oil all over my exhuast and all over the passenger side firewall. Then i seen that my dipstick had popped out alittle and smoke was puffing out of the dipstick hole.

Now fast forward a couple of day's until last night.This is when it started getting alot worse! Much more oil was coming out of the dipstick tube and on top of that oil was seeping through the top of the throttle body!

I noticed the vent tube was cracked and worn out oil was leaking not only from the top of the throttle body but from where the vent tube plug's into the throttle body where it would puddle at the intake manifold under where the vent tube goes into the throttle body.

Now today i vent and i got a new vent hose and clamp's and i put the vent hose and clamp's on to make sure it wouldnt leak then i took the top plate on the throttle body off and there was a yellow brown slugde filled up in there?

I cleaned it up applied i fresh thick coat of sealant and reinstalled the top plate and while i was at it i bought a new pcv valve and some clamp's for it and installed everything.

Now here is where it get's interesting! When i start the car something is leaking through the top throttle body plate and the dipstick is puffing out alittle bit of smoke?

But if i open the oil fill tube or pull up on the dipstick so it's open alittle the leak stop's at the throttle body? There is alot of puffing coming out of whatever i open whether it be the oil fill tube or the dipstick.

Now i know that the vent tube is supposed to supply fresh metered air to the pcv valve. But it's blowing crankcase gas out the dipstick tube or it will leak out the top of the throttlebody plate!

What can i do pleae help me out!

Here is a short vid of my problem..
Old Dec 14, 2008 | 04:21 PM
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Sounds like the PCV system is totally overloaded with excessive blowby. The puffing out the oil fill tube is a dead give away to the source of the problem. If it was a sudden change, you may have lost a ring or a ring land.
Old Dec 14, 2008 | 04:50 PM
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Sounds like the PCV system is totally overloaded with excessive blowby. The puffing out the oil fill tube is a dead give away to the source of the problem. If it was a sudden change, you may have lost a ring or a ring land.
What exactly does this mean?

If i lost a ring wouldnt the car smoke out the tail pipe?

What fixes the problem?
Old Dec 14, 2008 | 05:11 PM
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"Blowby" is combustion products that get past the rings, and into the crankcase. It APPEARS to be "puffing" every time a particular cylinder fires. That would indicate that one cylinder is not sealing properly between the piston and the cylinder walls. Most likely reason is a failed piston ring, or loss of the metal on the piston that holds the ring(s) in place. This condition would produce oil smoke out the tailpipe, only on decel, when the combution chamber is pulling a strong vacuum.

With the engine running, pull the connector off each injector, one at a time, and listen/feel for the "puffing" at the oil fill tube. When you pull an injector connector off, and the "puffing" stops, you have found the problem cylinder.

Without seeing/hearing exactly what you are hearing, I'm suggesting one possible cause of the problem - the one I think is most likely. It always hard to give an absolute diagnosis of a problem when the car is 3,000 miles away.

If you verify it is a bad ring (verified with a leakdown test), the "fix" is pulling the piston, checking the cylinder wall for damage, possibly honing it, and installing a new piston/rings.
Old Dec 14, 2008 | 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Injuneer
"Blowby" is combustion products that get past the rings, and into the crankcase. It APPEARS to be "puffing" every time a particular cylinder fires. That would indicate that one cylinder is not sealing properly between the piston and the cylinder walls. Most likely reason is a failed piston ring, or loss of the metal on the piston that holds the ring(s) in place. This condition would produce oil smoke out the tailpipe, only on decel, when the combution chamber is pulling a strong vacuum.

With the engine running, pull the connector off each injector, one at a time, and listen/feel for the "puffing" at the oil fill tube. When you pull an injector connector off, and the "puffing" stops, you have found the problem cylinder.

Without seeing/hearing exactly what you are hearing, I'm suggesting one possible cause of the problem - the one I think is most likely. It always hard to give an absolute diagnosis of a problem when the car is 3,000 miles away.

If you verify it is a bad ring (verified with a leakdown test), the "fix" is pulling the piston, checking the cylinder wall for damage, possibly honing it, and installing a new piston/rings.
Im worried...Is it going to be ok to drive? Becuase this is my work car would it be ok for a month or two until i save up enough to fix the problem?

Basically is it going to blow up any time now or something liek that?
Old Dec 14, 2008 | 05:27 PM
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Perform the simple test now to determine if it a bad ring. Pulling the injector wires off, or running a leakdown test is not difficult or costly. IF... and I'll repeat IF you have a damaged ring, there's a good chance it can score the cylinder wall. It isn't going to "blow up", but the longer you run it the greater the chance of damaging the cylinder wall.

Do not just assume what I said is a correct analysis. Check and find out before you panic. Maybe others can suggest alternative causes of the problem.
Old Dec 14, 2008 | 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Injuneer
Perform the simple test now to determine if it a bad ring. Pulling the injector wires off, or running a leakdown test is not difficult or costly. IF... and I'll repeat IF you have a damaged ring, there's a good chance it can score the cylinder wall. It isn't going to "blow up", but the longer you run it the greater the chance of damaging the cylinder wall.

Do not just assume what I said is a correct analysis. Check and find out before you panic. Maybe others can suggest alternative causes of the problem.
I cannot do the leakdown test until tomarrow but i did go out to the car right now and i looked uder it to see the cutout and there is oil dripping from the cutout!

Would it be better to get a shortblock from somewhere instead of just replacing the problem piston? Considering it is a ring? I only have 1400 saved up right now.
Old Dec 14, 2008 | 09:40 PM
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I would be scared to move it.
Old Dec 14, 2008 | 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by twcblackhand6970
I would be scared to move it.
Naw...It start's up and drives just like normal! The only difference is it puff's out alittle smoke from the dipstick.
Old Dec 14, 2008 | 10:08 PM
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Oh, well I'd still be scared to scour cylinder link injuneer is saying until I knew for sure what was wrong
Old Dec 14, 2008 | 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by twcblackhand6970
Oh, well I'd still be scared to scour cylinder link injuneer is saying until I knew for sure what was wrong
Yep but it's all i got! I have to drive it!

Im getting ready to take it to the next town over right now! I do have cash saved up so i will definatly find out whats going on tomarrow.
Old Dec 15, 2008 | 01:39 AM
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yea, sounds good. hoping my DD doesn't give me any problems. bout to get put in shop for new cam
Old Dec 15, 2008 | 02:26 AM
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Would it be better to get a shortblock from somewhere instead of just replacing the problem piston? Considering it is a ring? I only have 1400 saved up right now.
$1400 is way more than enough to pick up a nice low mileage LT1 longblock.

Given that its a DD - get the problem diagnosed, and if does appear to be rings/piston, I'd pick up a used motor and just drive the old one till I have time and inclination to swap them.
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