my buddy used to have a 2000 Z28...it was fast as crap with bolt ons, but needless to say...he blew up his engine/tranny/rear end in one year he had it.

 

nods nods...I wonder though...is the actual gain from that mod (as in, +HP/torque) percentage wise, greater on the LS vs. LT? Sure 12s for $200 sounds great, but the LS is faster stock! So I don't believe that to be a fair comparison :P

Here's another comparison talking dollar for dollar...

Guy 1 buys 2001 Z for $19,000, Spends $200 bucks and hits reliable 12s.

Guy 2 buys a 95 Z for $7000, spends $4000 +/- $2000 to get problems worked out etc, and ads a 383 stroker kit...

Whos going to run faster? Who spent the least cash?

Who knows...none of this scientific :P

some people just like to spend lots of money, they have it, they buy the best. It's completely understandable. I'm not one of those people :P I like the most performance for my dollar... (even if i have to jump through hoops) Now if I did have a finances to buy the best...I probably wouldn't be doing a hybrid, I'd probably just buy the LS1 and bolt on the lid and whatever :P easy

 

thats a ricer comment if I ever heard one!! (not calling you a ricer, just the comment) you can't say I spent less money to go faster... Hell, a gutted pinto, a 350 swap , turbo 350 trans, and a $400 nitrous kit will be quick. Hell, it might be boarderline fast.

Bottom line is, you can't compare like you just did.

 

what do you mean a ricer comment? laugh, nothing rice about not being able to spend a crapload of cash on a brand new car and mod it on top of that! wtf heh. You don't like hybrids do you? *sniffle*

oh, and the hell you can't spend less show me a 300 hp (my goal) coupe that weighs in at about 3000, almost 50/50 weight, with an IRS for about $10 grand...which is about what my bill is going to be, with new paint, fresh engine, clutch, suspension parts, wheels, kick *** braking and a six speed.....show meeee....please! :P

Why can't I compare like that? The end result is....what? about 12s for both cars typically? You think that the note on the car deosn't count? *grin*

 

Let me address the bang for the buck argument for just a second.

1. LS1 cars cost more than LT1 cars
2. LS1 parts cost more than LT1 parts

So what is the misunderstanding here? It's plain and simple. The 50 or so HP advantage doesn't justify that EVERYTHING costs more. Sorry. I knew what I was getting into and I have no regrets. If I was planning to leave the car stock maybe I would have gone with an LS1 car but I think everyone knows that STOCK SUCKS!!!

 

Good idea with the pino though...I bet you'd freak people out with that one :P When are you getting started on that project?

Fast is so subjective though...ask a fighter pilot if a LS1 is fast :P Like I mentioned before, I have had the most driving time under a 4cyl, and this rotary I have now...it doesn't compare to my old 94 Z. but jeez, the guy in the corolla that tried to pull on me the other probably thought that old RX7 was 'fast'

 

Its all about the time and money ls1 is stock faster because its newer and new gts are faster than the old ones also but its just because they have been worked on to be faster.i have 2 friends both run in the sixes and the lt1 beats my friend with the ls1 also running in the sixes.its all about how fast u wanna be.
lt1 pluses-lt1 sounds better,longerlasting block
ls1 pluses-sounds like ****,falls apart,looks newer

 

Trey you know what just clicked in my head...the 6 speeds in the LS1s are different then in our LT1's...I've read it OVER and OVER and OVER again and I couldn't figure out why the LS1 guys were having tranny problems...I knew it was a tremmac and I knew mine was a borg warner but for some reason it just now clicked after litterally hundreds of magazines on myshelf it clicked in your post...GO figure...

 

Its all about the time and money ls1 is stock faster because its newer and new gts are faster than the old ones also but its just because they have been worked on to be faster.i have 2 friends both run in the sixes and the lt1 beats my friend with the ls1 also running in the sixes.its all about how fast u wanna be.
lt1 pluses-lt1 sounds better,longerlasting block
ls1 pluses-sounds like ****,falls apart,looks newer

 

In the sixes? Are you talking 1/4mi or 1/8th?

 

I LOVE MY LT1. It has 78k on it and burns NO OIL. I have messed up a couple of times and over revved it and no bent rods(unlike the ls1).

 

has to be 1/8. I'm don't recall either motors going 6's in the 1/4

 

Trust me John, I don't want to argue with you either, and that's now what i was trying to do. I was just trying to provide some counterpoints.

If the FI car is the one I'm thinking of, that's not to blame on the motor, it's to blame on the people that put that motor together, but I won't give any names.

That's great to hear you are finishing off your heads with a die grinder, and I wish you the best of luck with them, I really do. Because if it turns out as good as you hope, then you will have a quick car for hardly no $$$ at all!

I would really just like put what happened between us in the past, and I hope you can do the same. Apparently you've taken actions towards you, and let them reflect agaisnt my club. My actions in no way represent the MTFBA. I do apologize for them, and I wish you could really see the true "us". We have an absolutely awesome group of guys, and more LSx and LTx knowledge than you'd know what to do with. I'd really like it also if you wouldn't put our club down to other potential members, simply because it's not them that were being the *****, it was me. In closing, I just wish you'd give us another chance, and tell your other f-body friends about us also. I promise you won't be disappointed.

Come on back over to the site and check and see when the next meeting is, because I'm not too sure myself! lol

Brian

 

I don't hold grudges Brian, when I see you posting on TNspeed I treat you the same as every other person on there. I don't like to argue with anyone.

To tell you the the truth I was gonna save my money and see what I could make my car do with only bolt ons, but I ended up having a problem with the electric water pump(not water pumps fault) and warping a head. I had to step it up a little to get die grinder bits and some free time to finish the job. Now they are finished, and I'm waiting on the HOTcam kit so I can send the springs, retainers, new valves(larger) etc. to the machine shop. You could say that I did this on a budget, I have $250 in the heads, $35 in bits, and $185 in valves, and I'm not sure how the rest breaks down because it come with the cam kit. I'm guessing around $550-600 is what I have in them. We'll see if they're worth a crap soon.

Maybe I'll see you guys are the bellevue show if I can ever get my parts in and get the car back together

John

 

I know money is probably tight but do yourself a favor and get a different set of springs. I would not recommend the LT4 valvesprings on any tru performance cam, particularly anything over .500 lift. They are barely better than the stock LT1 springs.

I know GM sells them in the kit but most serious guys on this board will tell you to get another set. I would recommend calling Cmotorsports.com and getting their "618" spring. Good price and they are great to deal with. That's the spring I'm using on my new heads...unlike the LT4 spring it is a dual spring.