Le2 Heads problems
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From: Frederick, Maryland
Re: Le2 Heads problems
Fred I agree if it does get petty please do lock it because I did not post this to start another argument just to explain what I have experienced and for people to fully understand my situation that is why I posted the whole story and not just part of it.
Chris
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Re: Le2 Heads problems
HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE HAD THEIR HANDS ON THEM? DID Lloyd ACTUALLY DO THEM? its all fun and games till someone loses an eye! lol
new thread please
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Re: Le2 Heads problems
I honestly do not remember speaking with you about any of this but if you bought heads from some one else and I offered any work for free, I guess you caught me on a good day and I was willing to help you out as i do many others in a bad spot.
As far as not wanting to get in a "pissing match", I guess you were just wanting to **** on me with no **** coming back on you??? I guess I am confused on this part as well.
I am not sure what kind of response you would get from buying second hand heads that were supposedly done by TFS, AFR, AI, etc and having problems also.
You can pressure test up to 40PSI (ecven though the radiator cap will blow off at 8-14 psi) and not find a leak but if the car over heats or something and puts undue stress on the water jackets you can find leaks that were not there before.
Not sure what the exact situation was on this set since you bought them from someone else claiming them to be ported by me.
I have helped out many customers that bought heads that ere supposedly done by me and got shafted but I still help them out.
Might be better to buy heads directly from the person/company instead on in the "for sale" section since you do not know what the cores have been thru or who done the work (or how much work) to the heads you are buying.
Lloyd
As far as not wanting to get in a "pissing match", I guess you were just wanting to **** on me with no **** coming back on you??? I guess I am confused on this part as well.
I am not sure what kind of response you would get from buying second hand heads that were supposedly done by TFS, AFR, AI, etc and having problems also.
You can pressure test up to 40PSI (ecven though the radiator cap will blow off at 8-14 psi) and not find a leak but if the car over heats or something and puts undue stress on the water jackets you can find leaks that were not there before.
Not sure what the exact situation was on this set since you bought them from someone else claiming them to be ported by me.
I have helped out many customers that bought heads that ere supposedly done by me and got shafted but I still help them out.
Might be better to buy heads directly from the person/company instead on in the "for sale" section since you do not know what the cores have been thru or who done the work (or how much work) to the heads you are buying.
Lloyd
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Re: Le2 Heads problems
sorry if seemed like things are getting "Petty".. I didnt see that but oh well your the moderator. I personally feel like a new light has been shed on someone who is thought highly of. after really digging into this guys history with customers complaints he has a substantial amount of complaints about the "pin holes" problem...People should be aware of these complaints vs. all the good compliments as well.
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Re: Le2 Heads problems
A couple of questions to the OP...
1. Did you receive documentation from the seller showing the head were machined by Lloyd's business???
2. If not, is the individual you purchased from, a person you believe to be trustworthy???
I have to go with Bersaglieri on this one, just from your original post... As we all know buying sometimes is a risk we take on used parts... And even new...
1. Did you receive documentation from the seller showing the head were machined by Lloyd's business???
2. If not, is the individual you purchased from, a person you believe to be trustworthy???
I have to go with Bersaglieri on this one, just from your original post... As we all know buying sometimes is a risk we take on used parts... And even new...
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Re: Le2 Heads problems
So you bought a set of heads that were supposedly Lloyds from someone other than Lloyd. Then another guy said the valve job wasn't good, so Lloyd said he'd do work on them for free, oddly you expect him to pay shipping for something you never bought from him. Then you have someone else mess with the heads and put them on the motor. Then they develop a leak and you skip talking to Lloyd and have yet another person mess with them again. Then you hop on here and point the finger at Lloyd who tried to make the situation right from the get go.
How many hands have been on these things? 3 since you've had them, who knows how many before you did. What if the former owner's "engine builder" said the exhaust ports were too small and went in there to open them up some more? That's assuming the heads show up at Lloyd's shop untouched. See the slippery slope your on when you buy "new" used parts?
This why there are certain things you buy directly from someone. If there is an issue in regards to his workmanship he typically offers to fix/repair/replace it for free. You decided to side step the best part of buying from Lloyd, the service. I'm not saying it isn't Lloyds fault, but if it was you needed to talk to him about it. Instead your making it less and less his fault with each set of hands that touch those heads.
That being said out of the 4-5 sets of LE heads my close group of friends have used, everyone dealt directly with Lloyd and had no problems and experienced great service.
Personally, I'd like to see pictures of the pin hole leak area and/or port. I'm wondering where in the port it's thin.
-Dustin-
How many hands have been on these things? 3 since you've had them, who knows how many before you did. What if the former owner's "engine builder" said the exhaust ports were too small and went in there to open them up some more? That's assuming the heads show up at Lloyd's shop untouched. See the slippery slope your on when you buy "new" used parts?
This why there are certain things you buy directly from someone. If there is an issue in regards to his workmanship he typically offers to fix/repair/replace it for free. You decided to side step the best part of buying from Lloyd, the service. I'm not saying it isn't Lloyds fault, but if it was you needed to talk to him about it. Instead your making it less and less his fault with each set of hands that touch those heads.
That being said out of the 4-5 sets of LE heads my close group of friends have used, everyone dealt directly with Lloyd and had no problems and experienced great service.
Personally, I'd like to see pictures of the pin hole leak area and/or port. I'm wondering where in the port it's thin.
-Dustin-
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Re: Le2 Heads problems
To answer some questions
First off let me say that the individual who had these heads from what I was told and by how they looked upon me getting them never installed them on his car.
Second yes I have the e-mails sent between the original owner and Lloyd with flow numbers etc. The heads are stamped LE2 along with the original purchaser’s first name and last initial.
The only person that i was told worked on the port of the head by the original owner was Lloyd. The first shop that had them for me just visually inspected them nothing else. The second shop visually inspected them, cleaned up the valve job that I was told Lloyd completed and installed them. They are also the shop that has them now. So that is only two shops not sure where you all keep coming up with three. Also as long as I have had them no one touched the exhaust ports only the valve job.
Lloyd I actually called you prior to purchasing them and had a nice conversation with you about them and what you had done to them. When I had the valve problem I sent you the pics that the shop had given me and actually believe I called you again. Based on both of those interactions I was pretty confident that they were your heads. The set up stock rods, crank, with forged 0.40 over pistons, cam listed in my sig and Comp cams gold 1.5 rockers. The car was run for about 100 easy miles never over heating or having any other issues besides the slow coolant lost initially mentioned.
I have e-mailed the original owner and asked him to reply here about the issue of them being Lloyds.
As for the shipping expense I might of been unfair in expecting him to pay for that I will agree with all of you on that.
First off let me say that the individual who had these heads from what I was told and by how they looked upon me getting them never installed them on his car.
Second yes I have the e-mails sent between the original owner and Lloyd with flow numbers etc. The heads are stamped LE2 along with the original purchaser’s first name and last initial.
The only person that i was told worked on the port of the head by the original owner was Lloyd. The first shop that had them for me just visually inspected them nothing else. The second shop visually inspected them, cleaned up the valve job that I was told Lloyd completed and installed them. They are also the shop that has them now. So that is only two shops not sure where you all keep coming up with three. Also as long as I have had them no one touched the exhaust ports only the valve job.
Lloyd I actually called you prior to purchasing them and had a nice conversation with you about them and what you had done to them. When I had the valve problem I sent you the pics that the shop had given me and actually believe I called you again. Based on both of those interactions I was pretty confident that they were your heads. The set up stock rods, crank, with forged 0.40 over pistons, cam listed in my sig and Comp cams gold 1.5 rockers. The car was run for about 100 easy miles never over heating or having any other issues besides the slow coolant lost initially mentioned.
I have e-mailed the original owner and asked him to reply here about the issue of them being Lloyds.
As for the shipping expense I might of been unfair in expecting him to pay for that I will agree with all of you on that.
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Re: Le2 Heads problems
Hi all... I sold these heads to Chris...
I have not been on the Z forum for a long time (I am here mainly for parts - I am along time member of the Impala SS forum). Sorry for the delayed response. Chris informed me about this thread and I am chiming in. I am at work and have not had time to read through this whole thread, but here are a few points about the history of these heads.
- These heads were purchased with "mild" portwork already done
- I sent the heads to Lloyd to build them to work well with the Golen 383 stroker that I had
- Lloyd did all of the port work and I also had him do the full valve job and install the Patriot Gold springs
- These heads were shipped back to me and were stored in the SAME box that I used to shipped them to Chris. These were stored on the shelf in my garage for months until I sold them! Only removed to take pictures!
- NOBODY touched them after Lloyd!
Note: Lloyd was cleaning up work that was done by somebody else. Lloyd needed to work the exhaust ports a little more than normal to clean this up, but there was no concern related to this! The heads looked EXCELLENT and the flow numbers were great! I would have had NO REASON to question the work that he did on these heads!
That being said, I am sorry that there may have been issues here. There is no way that I would have assumed that this would have happened. I would never willingly sell a product that I knew would have any sort of problem!
Knowing Lloyd's reputation and OBVIOUS ability to build quality products, I would not hesitate to go back to him for additional work! He was EXCELLENT to work with and I was a very happy customer.
I will go back and read the entire post tonight and address any open questions that I can.
Thanks,
Tim
I have not been on the Z forum for a long time (I am here mainly for parts - I am along time member of the Impala SS forum). Sorry for the delayed response. Chris informed me about this thread and I am chiming in. I am at work and have not had time to read through this whole thread, but here are a few points about the history of these heads.
- These heads were purchased with "mild" portwork already done
- I sent the heads to Lloyd to build them to work well with the Golen 383 stroker that I had
- Lloyd did all of the port work and I also had him do the full valve job and install the Patriot Gold springs
- These heads were shipped back to me and were stored in the SAME box that I used to shipped them to Chris. These were stored on the shelf in my garage for months until I sold them! Only removed to take pictures!
- NOBODY touched them after Lloyd!
Note: Lloyd was cleaning up work that was done by somebody else. Lloyd needed to work the exhaust ports a little more than normal to clean this up, but there was no concern related to this! The heads looked EXCELLENT and the flow numbers were great! I would have had NO REASON to question the work that he did on these heads!
That being said, I am sorry that there may have been issues here. There is no way that I would have assumed that this would have happened. I would never willingly sell a product that I knew would have any sort of problem!
Knowing Lloyd's reputation and OBVIOUS ability to build quality products, I would not hesitate to go back to him for additional work! He was EXCELLENT to work with and I was a very happy customer.
I will go back and read the entire post tonight and address any open questions that I can.
Thanks,
Tim
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Re: Le2 Heads problems
Glad it all seems to be cleared up now. Honestly most companies wouldn't even have offered to repair them knowing that they were bought used.
Common theme when people have issues with heads...they always seem to be heads that were done multiple times, in a final attempt to "fix" them.
Its best to have them done right the first time - sending already modified heads to someone in an attempt to fix someone else's mistakes is a risky thing to do.
Common theme when people have issues with heads...they always seem to be heads that were done multiple times, in a final attempt to "fix" them.
Its best to have them done right the first time - sending already modified heads to someone in an attempt to fix someone else's mistakes is a risky thing to do.
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Re: Le2 Heads problems
I'm still not sure what the purpose of this thread is. It purports NOT to be a post bad-mouthing LE, but on the other hand, I don't see any technical content, and this is a "tech" forum.
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