Sorry, dude, but I have to raise the flag on this one

 

Really! It's also known as the "Wayne Cam" as Wayne E. was the first to really show what it is capable of.

Care to explain why the the 224/230 will have more power/TQ over the 224/236?

I have used both cams btw and personally know the difference between them. I will try to explain, simplified of course, correct me if you must. The intake duration and lift is a good indication of potential peak torque of a cam, both cams will have similar peak torque numbers. The added duration of the 224/236 does two things, considering the LSA remains the same.
1.) The overlap is increased which means that maximum VE (and torque) is reached at a higher RPM, but torque below that point will be less.
2.) The added exhaust duration lessens the pumping losses at high RPM... it basically extends the RPM range over the 224/230 which works hand in hand with the higher torque peak.
Since HP is a function of torque over time, or more accurately torque vs. RPM the 224/236 will make more peak hp than the 224/230. Basically the 224/236 will make about the same amount of peak torque, at a higher RPM, more peak hp, but it will also be more "peaky" than the 224/230. I can tell you from experience that is is exactly what happens and for an NA cam DOES work very well with an M6.

If you've done your research you should also have found the complaints about the NA XE cams falling rapidly after peak HP, especially with near stock heads. This is because of the shorter exhaust duration and minimized overlap of the XE grinds and is also why the 224/230 just is not a good nitrous cam compared to the longer exhaust duration cams like the 224/236 or even CC306.

 

Nicely put Buttercup, and very informative.. I am still quite sure i am going with the 224/236.. Well even if 11's are out of reach (N/A) i should be close, anyways u should set ur goals high right? hehe.. Besides if i Juice it and low 11's are in sight, WOW thats MORE than i can ever ask for!!

I got an email from Jason Short about these cam, he suggested the 224/230, but i didn't mention the Nitrous so i'm sure he'd say 224/236, however he did tell me to substitute in Titanium Retainers rather than the Chromoly retainers, anybody have any opinions or advice about this?

Thanx Mike

 

Titanium probably isn't worth your money for what you are going to be using it for. You are buying the CM spring set right? If so, those chrome moly retainers are actually quite lightweight because of their size. I'm not sure if they even offer titanium retainers for those springs.

 

ok the 224/236 looks really good, what power loss would be seen if I went with a 114 lobe separation angle instead of a 112?? Would it idle smooth at that angle?

 

Nope screw that 114 man!! i'm buying the 112lsa, i wanna pull up do people, and when they hear my car, think the world is comming to an end LOL..

Ok, i talked to my dad about the titanium retainers vs. chromoly and he said for what i do he doesn't think they're necessary by any means..

Buttercup: i believe the spring kit comes with the Cam Kit i am buying from them.. and not to mention the FREE hardened pushrods!!

Mike

 

I want to pull up to someone who thinks that their loud baddass car is faster than my stock sounding car (sleeper), and put the wooping on them when they are acting all cocky and conseeded about their car (like most rice). so my question is would the 114 lsa hide any lope, or the majority of it while retainning the power that people on this board are saying it will have?? Or is the power that they are claiming come from a 114 lsa?

 

I believe you will still get approx the same power slightly less, i have read that the LSA has to do with the max HP RPM's. A 112LSA will rev higher than a 114LSA will. The 114 will hide most of the Lope from what i understand, but i think u will still hear it somewhat, just not as much.. Just my opinion..

I like to make ricers deaf, dumb, and stupid while i'm ideling next to them..

Mike

 

any idea on what a gas milage would be on these cams?

 

Thanks for the happy birthday HungryT/A...it sucked, had to work all day, I did drive my car though so that made it better.

That was nicely informative buttercup, after reading the tutorial about cams on compcams website I can understand what you are saying, how the longer exhaust duration raises the peak HP and ups the RPMs you are at with peak TQ, it sounds like what you said was exactly correct, so listen to what he said.

Do you know by chance how much further you have to go to get that peak TQ? Dyno sheet maybe?