Hey all, I'm back. Going to try this again...get the 383 running.
Re: Hey all, I'm back. Going to try this again...get the 383 running.
Yeah I think the rings got a workout!So I might have an intake gasket leak? Damn...well...let me get ahold of the guy who put it togother and see what he reccomends.
Re: Hey all, I'm back. Going to try this again...get the 383 running.
OK after doing new plugs, rocker adjustment, and MAF...I'm back...after a SERIOUS non-star issue! Just would NOT START!!!
OK...it's going to hurt my pride a little bit to admit this...but, turns out an engine runs a LOT better when there is gas in it.
I'm sitting there cranking and it almost wants to start. I figure what the hell, I'll throw a FP gauge on there and see where I'm at...0 PSI WTF? This had some gas in it when I parked it.
Looked at my fuel gauge...it's on E. I guess I thought the gauge didn't work. Soooooo, off to the gas station I go with a red can, get 5 gal of 91 (They don't have 93 here
), and it fires right up...my pride just *slightly* hurt.
I guess it's just one of those things you don't think about "because you know there was gas in it".
Lesson Learned - Put some f***ing gas in anyways even if you think there's some in it.
I'm going to jack up the car and crawl under it next to see if I have any metal parts banging around against each other and go from there.
Please don't hurt me too badly.
OK...it's going to hurt my pride a little bit to admit this...but, turns out an engine runs a LOT better when there is gas in it.

I'm sitting there cranking and it almost wants to start. I figure what the hell, I'll throw a FP gauge on there and see where I'm at...0 PSI WTF? This had some gas in it when I parked it.
Looked at my fuel gauge...it's on E. I guess I thought the gauge didn't work. Soooooo, off to the gas station I go with a red can, get 5 gal of 91 (They don't have 93 here
), and it fires right up...my pride just *slightly* hurt.I guess it's just one of those things you don't think about "because you know there was gas in it".
Lesson Learned - Put some f***ing gas in anyways even if you think there's some in it.
I'm going to jack up the car and crawl under it next to see if I have any metal parts banging around against each other and go from there.
Please don't hurt me too badly.

Re: Hey all, I'm back. Going to try this again...get the 383 running.
Code 48 MAF is gone, but now I have a new Code 34: MAF Low...time to see WTF that is all about.
Here's a datalog...what do you think that's about where everything kind of smooths out when I hold it above idle? Won't idle on it's own. Have to open the throttle a little. I had my throttle blades open a little bit via the screw, but then the TPS was about 1.6V I think. Should I try cracking open the throttle blade a little bit but then trying to adjust the TPS?
http://paradox.shacknet.nu/dave88lx/...s/9Jul06-2.uni
Here's a datalog...what do you think that's about where everything kind of smooths out when I hold it above idle? Won't idle on it's own. Have to open the throttle a little. I had my throttle blades open a little bit via the screw, but then the TPS was about 1.6V I think. Should I try cracking open the throttle blade a little bit but then trying to adjust the TPS?
http://paradox.shacknet.nu/dave88lx/...s/9Jul06-2.uni
Last edited by Dave88LX; Jul 9, 2006 at 06:31 PM.
Re: Hey all, I'm back. Going to try this again...get the 383 running.
Well ya just joined the club,It ain't the first time it ever happened.
I have done it at the strip. The car needed other things and forgot the fuel cell. It ran bad and quit on the return road.
I have done it at the strip. The car needed other things and forgot the fuel cell. It ran bad and quit on the return road.
Re: Hey all, I'm back. Going to try this again...get the 383 running.
I'm wondering if it might just be an issue of my car needing to sit there and idle for a bit and "learn" how to idle? Just nudge the throttle here and there when it needs it to stay running? Beats me...just thinking out loud after reading some stuff.
Edited the last link...try this datalog:
http://paradox.shacknet.nu/dave88lx/...s/9Jul06-2.uni
I had a pretty nasty backfire letting off at 4-5K...kinda scared me from doing anything.
Here's what I was reading. Source: Injuneer's Scanner Readings page:
http://members.aol.com/InjuneerZZ/Sc....htm#step%2010
Edited the last link...try this datalog:
http://paradox.shacknet.nu/dave88lx/...s/9Jul06-2.uni
I had a pretty nasty backfire letting off at 4-5K...kinda scared me from doing anything.

Here's what I was reading. Source: Injuneer's Scanner Readings page:
http://members.aol.com/InjuneerZZ/Sc....htm#step%2010
MAP (Manifold Absolute Pressure):
Here is where you can do something about the pressure that forces the air/fuel mixture into your engine. The air cleaner is exposed to atmospheric pressure (BAR). As the air passes through the filter, it loses some pressure. It loses more pressure in the ductwork that feeds it into the engine, the MAF sensor, the throttle body, the intake runners and the restriction of the open valve. Each of these items reduces the air pressure slightly. And gives you a pressure LOWER than atmospheric pressure in your intake manifold. This pressure is called manifold absolute pressure, to avoid using the negative numbers required to measure vacuum.
When a stock LT1 is idling, the "MAP" reading should be about one-third of the "BAR" reading. Check the "BAR", and remember it - it won't change for a while, unless you're in the middle of a hurricane… Then display "MAP". If the BAR = 30.0, MAP should be at 10.0, or below. On my relatively stock LT1, with a BAR = 30, I would see MAP readings at idle of 9.3 to 9.5. The readings would fluctuate slightly with the idle. Maybe as low as 8.9, and maybe as high as 9.8.
If you have a cam that is more aggressive than the stocker, you will see a higher MAP reading at idle. With a fairly radical cam, you might see reading of 18 or so.
The difference between MAP and BAR is your manifold vacuum. If BAR = 30.0 and MAP = 9.5, then your vacuum is 30.0 - 9.5 = 20.5 inches of Hg. If you connect a vacuum gauge to the correct port on the manifold, this is what it should read.
When you start driving, the MAP will fluctuate with the throttle position and the engine load. Close the throttle completely at 2,000 RPM, and the MAP will drop well below 9.0. Floor it at low RPM, and the MAP should shoot up to a number equal to, or very close to "BAR". The output of the MAP sensor is very important, because it tells the PCM where to look in the fuel and ignition timing tables. High MAP = high engine load. Low MAP = low engine load.
Conversion Table - MAP pressure units:
Here is where you can do something about the pressure that forces the air/fuel mixture into your engine. The air cleaner is exposed to atmospheric pressure (BAR). As the air passes through the filter, it loses some pressure. It loses more pressure in the ductwork that feeds it into the engine, the MAF sensor, the throttle body, the intake runners and the restriction of the open valve. Each of these items reduces the air pressure slightly. And gives you a pressure LOWER than atmospheric pressure in your intake manifold. This pressure is called manifold absolute pressure, to avoid using the negative numbers required to measure vacuum.
When a stock LT1 is idling, the "MAP" reading should be about one-third of the "BAR" reading. Check the "BAR", and remember it - it won't change for a while, unless you're in the middle of a hurricane… Then display "MAP". If the BAR = 30.0, MAP should be at 10.0, or below. On my relatively stock LT1, with a BAR = 30, I would see MAP readings at idle of 9.3 to 9.5. The readings would fluctuate slightly with the idle. Maybe as low as 8.9, and maybe as high as 9.8.
If you have a cam that is more aggressive than the stocker, you will see a higher MAP reading at idle. With a fairly radical cam, you might see reading of 18 or so.
The difference between MAP and BAR is your manifold vacuum. If BAR = 30.0 and MAP = 9.5, then your vacuum is 30.0 - 9.5 = 20.5 inches of Hg. If you connect a vacuum gauge to the correct port on the manifold, this is what it should read.
When you start driving, the MAP will fluctuate with the throttle position and the engine load. Close the throttle completely at 2,000 RPM, and the MAP will drop well below 9.0. Floor it at low RPM, and the MAP should shoot up to a number equal to, or very close to "BAR". The output of the MAP sensor is very important, because it tells the PCM where to look in the fuel and ignition timing tables. High MAP = high engine load. Low MAP = low engine load.
Conversion Table - MAP pressure units:
IAC (Idle Air Control):
The Idle Air Control is a little stepper motor that moves a pintle in and out of a hole in the throttle body, and allows air to bypass the throttle blades, and enter the intake manifold. This is required to allow the car to idle when the throttle blades are completely closed (as they should be). The PCM plays with the IAC motor to keep the idle at spec, 800rpm for M6's and 650rpm for A4's. The ScanMaster reads the "position" of the valve motor, which can range from "1" to "255". At idle, you should see roughly "20" to "40" (this is fomr my M6, idling at 800rpm). And, it should be steady. Any lower and you probably have a vacuum leak, or the throttle return stop screw on the throttle body is preventing the blades from fully closing. If you see numbers higher than this at idle, it is possible you have a dirty IAC motor pintle which is not moving correctly, or plugged air passages leading to the IAC motor. If you have installed a throttle boy airfoil, it is possible it is blocking air flow through the opening that supplies air to the IAC system.
When you start to drive, the IAC value will start to rise. This is done in order to keep enough air flowing into the manifold that if you suddenly let off on the throttle, and let the blades fully closed, there will be enough air to keep the motor from stalling, and provides air to minimize pollutants. The counts I have seen under cruising and WOT conditions are in the range of 60 - 100.
The IAC motor is located at the base of the throttle body, on the passenger side. The PCM stores the "learned" idle position, so that it can return to this value quickly, in order to control idle. This stored value can be "lost" if the power to the PCM is lost, and idle may hunt a bit on startup until the value is relearned.
The Idle Air Control is a little stepper motor that moves a pintle in and out of a hole in the throttle body, and allows air to bypass the throttle blades, and enter the intake manifold. This is required to allow the car to idle when the throttle blades are completely closed (as they should be). The PCM plays with the IAC motor to keep the idle at spec, 800rpm for M6's and 650rpm for A4's. The ScanMaster reads the "position" of the valve motor, which can range from "1" to "255". At idle, you should see roughly "20" to "40" (this is fomr my M6, idling at 800rpm). And, it should be steady. Any lower and you probably have a vacuum leak, or the throttle return stop screw on the throttle body is preventing the blades from fully closing. If you see numbers higher than this at idle, it is possible you have a dirty IAC motor pintle which is not moving correctly, or plugged air passages leading to the IAC motor. If you have installed a throttle boy airfoil, it is possible it is blocking air flow through the opening that supplies air to the IAC system.
When you start to drive, the IAC value will start to rise. This is done in order to keep enough air flowing into the manifold that if you suddenly let off on the throttle, and let the blades fully closed, there will be enough air to keep the motor from stalling, and provides air to minimize pollutants. The counts I have seen under cruising and WOT conditions are in the range of 60 - 100.
The IAC motor is located at the base of the throttle body, on the passenger side. The PCM stores the "learned" idle position, so that it can return to this value quickly, in order to control idle. This stored value can be "lost" if the power to the PCM is lost, and idle may hunt a bit on startup until the value is relearned.
Last edited by Dave88LX; Jul 9, 2006 at 06:31 PM.
Re: Hey all, I'm back. Going to try this again...get the 383 running.
More thinking out loud:
I got the following codes pop up:
Beginning: 34 - MAP Low
2523: 16 - Lo-Res Fail
4078: 51 - EPROM/Flash Checksum Fail
4167: 41 - EST Open
4167: 42 - EST Grounded
4167: 46 - Fuel Enable (VATS) Fail
How can an EST, whatever the hell it is, be open AND grounded at the SAME time.
I wonder if that was my big backfire.
I got the following codes pop up:
Beginning: 34 - MAP Low
2523: 16 - Lo-Res Fail
4078: 51 - EPROM/Flash Checksum Fail
4167: 41 - EST Open
4167: 42 - EST Grounded
4167: 46 - Fuel Enable (VATS) Fail
How can an EST, whatever the hell it is, be open AND grounded at the SAME time.
I wonder if that was my big backfire.
Re: Hey all, I'm back. Going to try this again...get the 383 running.
As far as your idle problem goes. Justbump up the idel some. You have the means to do it now via the pcm
. All those codes that popped up after the backfire. I wouldnt be too concerned about, the pcm probably freaked out or something, wouldnt be the first time. Glad to hear the car is runnign better.
. All those codes that popped up after the backfire. I wouldnt be too concerned about, the pcm probably freaked out or something, wouldnt be the first time. Glad to hear the car is runnign better.
Re: Hey all, I'm back. Going to try this again...get the 383 running.
Hey what's up man...I haven't played with any of that software yet.
Kind of nervous.
I really don't even know what it idles at yet, since it doesn't do it on it's own. I'm going to dork with the TPS/IAC stuff tonight and see if I can get it to work...get it back to where it *used* to be for one day last year.
Kind of nervous.
I really don't even know what it idles at yet, since it doesn't do it on it's own. I'm going to dork with the TPS/IAC stuff tonight and see if I can get it to work...get it back to where it *used* to be for one day last year.
Re: Hey all, I'm back. Going to try this again...get the 383 running.
I dunno bro. First you got spark retard out the wazoo. You must have it maxed at 8, but it's pulling 8 deg all the time just at idle. You are also running rich enough that you are out of adjustment in the PCM. At idle in cell 18, your pulsewidths are huge but when you start to move the car it settles down. MAP is also really high at idle. Maybe a faulty MAP sensor or wiring. You have something funky associated with idle.
Last edited by Kevin Blown 95 TA; Jul 9, 2006 at 08:35 PM.
Re: Hey all, I'm back. Going to try this again...get the 383 running.
I've never moved the car...well except where I backed it out of the garage into the driveway...that's all in neutral.
My IAC's are in the 130-140 range, I read Nvetro's thread and that makes perfect sense, tonight I'm going to fix that.
When Bret was here we/he opened up the TB blades enough to get it to idle...but I didn't know the TPS had to be under 1V, so I checked my TPS and I was at 1.6V I think, so I closed my blades back up...I should have just rotated the TPS...I'll do that tonight, slot it if I have to.
Where are you seeing these cell's?
My IAC's are in the 130-140 range, I read Nvetro's thread and that makes perfect sense, tonight I'm going to fix that.
When Bret was here we/he opened up the TB blades enough to get it to idle...but I didn't know the TPS had to be under 1V, so I checked my TPS and I was at 1.6V I think, so I closed my blades back up...I should have just rotated the TPS...I'll do that tonight, slot it if I have to.
Where are you seeing these cell's?
Last edited by Dave88LX; Jul 9, 2006 at 08:36 PM.
Re: Hey all, I'm back. Going to try this again...get the 383 running.
OK got some good news I think.
Like I said my IAC's were in the 130-140 range.
I have an AS&M 58MM throttle body. MY TPS was at .86V. I opened up the TB blades as far as they could go via the set screw. My TPS was at 9.8% I realized after I started the car and it skyrocked to 3K RPM.
Shut off the car, removed TPS, slotted the holes, reinstalled...1.00V...damn, ALMOST. Pulled it off again, slotted a little more, .90V...perfect.
Started the car back up again, started car back up, car settled, IAC fell to 0 ?!? Turned the TB screw out some, and IAC went back up to 100. Turned it back in some, went back to 0...then my laptop battery died.
My TPS is at .76V, so that's fine too.
But, at least I'm getting somewhere. Look a lot better?
http://paradox.shacknet.nu/dave88lx/...s/9Jul06-3.uni
On a POSITIVE note, the car now idled on it's OWN for two minutes! Didn't shut off until I turned it off!
Like I said my IAC's were in the 130-140 range.
I have an AS&M 58MM throttle body. MY TPS was at .86V. I opened up the TB blades as far as they could go via the set screw. My TPS was at 9.8% I realized after I started the car and it skyrocked to 3K RPM.

Shut off the car, removed TPS, slotted the holes, reinstalled...1.00V...damn, ALMOST. Pulled it off again, slotted a little more, .90V...perfect.
Started the car back up again, started car back up, car settled, IAC fell to 0 ?!? Turned the TB screw out some, and IAC went back up to 100. Turned it back in some, went back to 0...then my laptop battery died.
My TPS is at .76V, so that's fine too.But, at least I'm getting somewhere. Look a lot better?
http://paradox.shacknet.nu/dave88lx/...s/9Jul06-3.uni
On a POSITIVE note, the car now idled on it's OWN for two minutes! Didn't shut off until I turned it off!
Last edited by Dave88LX; Jul 9, 2006 at 10:16 PM.
Re: Hey all, I'm back. Going to try this again...get the 383 running.
Here...watch me. 
I've worked hard for the last 2 days over the past year to be able to present this video clip! LOL
Right Click - Save as...
http://paradox.shacknet.nu/dave88lx/..._good_idle.wmv
Getting somewhere finally I hope.

I've worked hard for the last 2 days over the past year to be able to present this video clip! LOL

Right Click - Save as...
http://paradox.shacknet.nu/dave88lx/..._good_idle.wmv
Getting somewhere finally I hope.
Last edited by Dave88LX; Jul 9, 2006 at 10:56 PM.
Re: Hey all, I'm back. Going to try this again...get the 383 running.
I did the run out of gas thing on Friday..haha.
The car will run tons better with the TPS and IAC adjusted properly. Get the car idling and watch for when its up to temp and in closed loop. Then adjust the throttle stop until the car will consistantly idle with the IAC counts around 40. Now look at your TPS values and try to get it within .45-.55v which will likely require further slotting of the TPS if you were only able to get it to .76v as stated above.
The car will run tons better with the TPS and IAC adjusted properly. Get the car idling and watch for when its up to temp and in closed loop. Then adjust the throttle stop until the car will consistantly idle with the IAC counts around 40. Now look at your TPS values and try to get it within .45-.55v which will likely require further slotting of the TPS if you were only able to get it to .76v as stated above.
Re: Hey all, I'm back. Going to try this again...get the 383 running.
Gotcha...I think my IAC count is at ZERO right now, not sure how that works.
I guess I have to close the TB blade some.
Curious...what's it matter between .45-.90V? As long as it's under 1V it shouldn't matter right?
One of the legendary "Mustang 5.0" mods is to set the TPS voltage to .98. Supposedly, it is in theory supposed to but you right on the edge of "off idle" in regards to TPS, instead of having to rotate the TB blades the distance required for .5V before the PCM realizes it's off-idle...something to think about I guess, maybe someone can chime in...
I guess I have to close the TB blade some.Curious...what's it matter between .45-.90V? As long as it's under 1V it shouldn't matter right?
One of the legendary "Mustang 5.0" mods is to set the TPS voltage to .98. Supposedly, it is in theory supposed to but you right on the edge of "off idle" in regards to TPS, instead of having to rotate the TB blades the distance required for .5V before the PCM realizes it's off-idle...something to think about I guess, maybe someone can chime in...


