Hardened Pushrods
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From: Stillwater Ok USA
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Can't seem to locate a whole lot of that around here! I see ALOT of dyno numbers floating around, but no ET's.
370rwhp/355rwtq
My argument is just as valid by stating there are hardened pushrods out there that WORK for a mild setup as yours is claiming they don't. As a matter of fact those who say they don't work are in a minority compared to those setups that have used them successfully. Think about that one. We've already been through this. Sorry you were late to the party.
Can't seem to locate a whole lot of that around here! I see ALOT of dyno numbers floating around, but no ET's.
370rwhp/355rwtq
My argument is just as valid by stating there are hardened pushrods out there that WORK for a mild setup as yours is claiming they don't. As a matter of fact those who say they don't work are in a minority compared to those setups that have used them successfully. Think about that one. We've already been through this. Sorry you were late to the party.
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I suppose what i was saying is that my argument is 2x as good as yours because i showed that cheap hardened pushrods fail quite often, since it happened twice to me personally. Whereas you had 1 engine combo that worked with them....not 2, so i guess its that simple.
I think your arguing for the sake of argument, regardless of whether or not your mild combo worked well for you, and your cheap hardened pushrods did or didn't fail, would you not agree for someone building another engine or valvetrain, that it would be worth the additional money for piece of mind knowing that you have a better part that is less prone to failure for a marginal cost? $50 extra for better pushrods>$xxx+ for engine damage.
And there are multiple people using them with great success. Me being one of them. But as Bret so elequently put it.. I'm lucky and ignorant.
I can see both sides of the argument but in the manner in which you thrash Bret's input obviously shows that you have something against him. To quote a comedian that argued the same type of point. I can drive with my feet...that don't necessarily make it a good idea. I'm glad everything worked out for you and your part decision. Next time just say what worked for you without trying to shove it down our throats and leave it be. I come on here looking for answers and get ideas as well as advice and personally, I would take Bret's over yours. I don't know Bret and I am not saying you give bad advice ...I think it has to do more with your delivery. I think Bret defends himself well and knows when to walk away from an argument (whereas others do not). Actually I think he is too nice at times.
I am fully aware Bret has rock star status on this board. I always choose to read/comprehend/listen to more opinions than one. Perhaps that's the reason why I'm soooo lucky!
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Man your such a dummy..... when I said that the Comp R's couldn't take the standard loads that a valvetrain will see OVER 6200rpm that PROVED my point, not yours. It's funny that a STOCK OEM lifter CAN handle the SAME VALVETRAIN and the Comp R's that failed couldn't.
EVERY valvetrain has pushrod flex, valve bounce etc... it all depends how you handle it. Jesus this is like arguing with a 2 year old. How bout we just say "BECAUSE DADDY SAID SO!"
Bret
EVERY valvetrain has pushrod flex, valve bounce etc... it all depends how you handle it. Jesus this is like arguing with a 2 year old. How bout we just say "BECAUSE DADDY SAID SO!"
Bret
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For you, maybe. Did you use guideplates?
Untrue. A whole lot of things can happen other than problematic pushrods. You must take the entire valvetrain into account. It's just like the Comp R debacle. Bret himself admitted in this thread that the plunger retainers couldn't handle the abuse of pushrod flex or valve float.. etc... Now is that the lifter's fault? I think not. Even in the original "Comp R" thread he states he can only "guess" why they fail and to only assume he's right.
And there are multiple people using them with great success. Me being one of them. But as Bret so elequently put it.. I'm lucky and ignorant.
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Untrue. A whole lot of things can happen other than problematic pushrods. You must take the entire valvetrain into account. It's just like the Comp R debacle. Bret himself admitted in this thread that the plunger retainers couldn't handle the abuse of pushrod flex or valve float.. etc... Now is that the lifter's fault? I think not. Even in the original "Comp R" thread he states he can only "guess" why they fail and to only assume he's right.
And there are multiple people using them with great success. Me being one of them. But as Bret so elequently put it.. I'm lucky and ignorant.
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Apparently you have a problem with Bret's wording or use of the word "junk". I believe that after seeing enough failures of certain parts he tends to use the term junk more freely for those items. Perhaps the word inferior should be used rather then junk.
I do also find you to be extremely lucky, because i had Comp R's fail as well. Honestly i understand where he is coming from because these things we are seeing are not isolated incidents, and it is better for people to know whats happening out there to these items. Also i treat my advice as i am giving to a complete Newbie, because at one point i was a Newbie and given advice on parts selection...some selections i was assured would work, failed and at the cost of damaging other items, later to find out there was a better option for very little extra money. This is one of those cases where its a very reasonable upgrade, for a small fee for one of the most crucial items in your valvetrain.
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