At least you know who I was calling ignorant.

Bret

 

No... I'm lucky AND ignorant. I can live with that since my setup parallels and in most cases, has exceeded your best effort in comparison.

P.S. Oh yeah.. done with HARDENED pushrods FTMFW!

 

Whats your car run? I'm not bashing just curious.

 

12.0 @ 115 1.75 60' w/ the 211/219 cam and LPE heads/intake, Hooker LT's, ORY, full exhaust, Ed Wright dyno tune, 3750lb race weight on BFG DR's.

That was four years ago. Haven't done anything significant enough to post since then.

You have some great mph. Best I've seen on this board using a BRE cam. Doesn't mean you're the only one running it, but like I said... it's rare to see anyone over 115/6mph with LE/BRE stuff. I'm not sure you'll be able to get more out of them if they're re-done, but I guess you'll see. Hopefully it won't hurt what has already been done. I don't know of a lot of heads these days that can accomdate that kind of mph w/ any LT1 type street cams...

 

Well my heads have stock valves, so I should pick up some power just from that. + some my valve guides have some slop in them, and my valves look like they may not have been sealing perfect. Who knows though, you really can't tell that much from looking at heads, the ones that look the worst might perform the best. I just want to break 11's @120, hopefully my bottom end is ok. 12.0@115 is moving for such a baby cam too, expecially at 3750 lbs.

 

Thank you.
You'd be one of the top dawgs around here running that kind of mph on a stock bottom end.

 

Thanks. I honestly think its the mail order tunes that holds everyone back. They are good for getting you running, but without having the car infront of you there really is no way to get it perfect, its a hit or miss thing.

 

Holy cow! You wildman! I had no idea you had so much experience running on the very ragged edge. I now see why you are the expert in valvetrain durability--it's based upon pushing the limits farther than anybody ever has before.... Err, well, nevermind, I forgot I actually reved my stock engine that high quite often without problem.

 

Yeah I'm crazy like that. I would've gone further, but the RV cam had no more umph after that.

 

SS RRR, not a bad 60 for a M6 and a stock rearend. Dare I say you didn't try that to often? Or do you push your luck with the stock rearend also? Ever dyno your set-up? Yeah, I know dyno #s don't mean squat, but it would help me figure out where I'm at, HP versus track times. Thanks.

 

Let's see 115mph and I've had guys do 11's easy with 120+mph with hyd roller cams, 350's in 3500lbs+ cars.... yep that's the same. :eyes: Let's not forget about 4000+lbs impallas going 11.5's @ 118mph. Maybe you should look around some more.

Bret

 

Your argument isn't even valid, its just dandy that your cheap hardened pushrods lasted you for so long without any issues. There have been a number of examples of cheap hardened pushrods including OEM that have failed to last. So what exactly is your argument? Its already been stated that for some people they last, but not everybody....From what i have read here the initial warning was spend the extra couple bucks now on a better part so the chances of failure are minimized. I also bent a cheap hardened pushrod, one was in my LT1 with CC503 cam/6500 rev limit, and another in my 5.0 mustang. So theres 2 examples to your one on my own personal cars.

I guess if your a gambling man, then go ahead be cheap, save a couple bucks and take your chances...personally I wouldn't but really its your choice.

 

Looks around some more
Can't seem to locate a whole lot of that around here! I see ALOT of dyno numbers floating around, but no ET's.

370rwhp/355rwtq
My argument is just as valid by stating there are hardened pushrods out there that WORK for a mild setup as yours is claiming they don't. As a matter of fact those who say they don't work are in a minority compared to those setups that have used them successfully. Think about that one. We've already been through this. Sorry you were late to the party.

 

yalll argue like a bunch of old ladies...you remind me of the golden girls

 

I suppose what i was saying is that my argument is 2x as good as yours because i showed that cheap hardened pushrods fail quite often, since it happened twice to me personally. Whereas you had 1 engine combo that worked with them....not 2, so i guess its that simple.

I think your arguing for the sake of argument, regardless of whether or not your mild combo worked well for you, and your cheap hardened pushrods did or didn't fail, would you not agree for someone building another engine or valvetrain, that it would be worth the additional money for piece of mind knowing that you have a better part that is less prone to failure for a marginal cost? $50 extra for better pushrods>$xxx+ for engine damage.