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Old Feb 13, 2007 | 10:56 PM
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Man your such a dummy..... when I said that the Comp R's couldn't take the standard loads that a valvetrain will see OVER 6200rpm that PROVED my point, not yours. It's funny that a STOCK OEM lifter CAN handle the SAME VALVETRAIN and the Comp R's that failed couldn't.
Proves your point how? You've now dubbed yourself the spokesperson of these failures even though you've admitted yourself you can only guess why they have failed? Even though most every picture on the Comp R thread showed blatant evidence of the pushrods WALKING OFF THE PLUNGER and banging the ever living holy hell out of the retainer? What about all those who've used these lifters with success? I've shifted at 6500 for the last two years using these lifters. A local shop here that has built a handfull of 9 second LS1 cars shifting at 7000rpm use them as well. That retaining clip should NEVER come in contact with the plunger... EVAR! Whatever your opinion is it's in the minority. I respect the fact you have such a following, but the minority rarely ever rules.
EVERY valvetrain has pushrod flex, valve bounce etc... it all depends how you handle it. Jesus this is like arguing with a 2 year old. How bout we just say "BECAUSE DADDY SAID SO!"

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Yes dear that is true, but as already stated you cannot blame ONE component if you don't exactly know if that component is what was at fault when there is plenty of testimonials of these lifters working.

Originally Posted by buzz12586
So SS RRR, if I go with the hardened pushrods you suggested and one of them bends and f*cks over my motor, will you pay to replace it???
I can't be held responsible for the tool behind the tool.

Originally Posted by 89385formula
On the LT1, no guideplates were used.(CC503, SA Comp Pro-mags), on the 5.0 there were guideplates(custom cam, NSA Crane RR's).

Apparently you have a problem with Bret's wording or use of the word "junk". I believe that after seeing enough failures of certain parts he tends to use the term junk more freely for those items. Perhaps the word inferior should be used rather then junk.

I do also find you to be extremely lucky, because i had Comp R's fail as well. Honestly i understand where he is coming from because these things we are seeing are not isolated incidents, and it is better for people to know whats happening out there to these items. Also i treat my advice as i am giving to a complete Newbie, because at one point i was a Newbie and given advice on parts selection...some selections i was assured would work, failed and at the cost of damaging other items, later to find out there was a better option for very little extra money. This is one of those cases where its a very reasonable upgrade, for a small fee for one of the most crucial items in your valvetrain.
I wouldn't say the most crucial. I'd say the most vulnerable. Again it comes down to taking the entire valvetrain into consideration. Once again I have provided a link for hardened pushrods that WORK. It is up to you to use the correct parts to compensate.
Anyways... Bert.. it was an honor for such a high roller as yourself respond to my piddly posts. I have goose bumps all over.
What it comes down to is not all hardened pushrods are "junk". Just like all spec clutches aren't "junk" just like Comp R rollers are not "junk" as long as you know how to use them. For the amount of failures with these components there are twice as many testimonials. If it weren't the case then the manufactuers of said components would've been put out of business long ago. I appreciate the feed back and your stories. However the only way to be convinced of something like this is if the failures outnumbered the success stories. I think it's supposed to work that way? In other words.. not the opinion of one rock star will sway what I've experienced for myself.

Thank you and goodnight!

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Old Feb 13, 2007 | 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by SS RRR
I can't be held responsible for the tool behind the tool.
You can come install them.
Old Feb 14, 2007 | 12:00 AM
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You can come install them.
Negative. I stopped working on others peoples poop years ago. My junk causes enough of a migrane. Simply put... if you aren't confident enough they'll work for you, don't use them.
Old Feb 14, 2007 | 12:42 AM
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Thought you said goonight already?
Old Feb 14, 2007 | 01:34 AM
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Thought you said goonight already?
I was awaiting you tucking me in w/ a nice goodnight kiss.
Anyway... time to bail since what needs to be said has been done.
Old Feb 14, 2007 | 10:44 AM
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Negative. I stopped working on others peoples poop years ago. My junk causes enough of a migrane. Simply put... if you aren't confident enough they'll work for you, don't use them.

If you could have a hooker that might have an std for $160, or you could have one that you know is disease free for $210. What would you go with???



I'll spend the extra $50, thanks.
Old Feb 14, 2007 | 11:01 AM
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good stuff...

lets look at another angle...

so we have a 6000 rpm small block..pushrod moves up and down 3000 times in a minute..... 50 times a second.....you need strength but it would also be advisable to have low total weight...so if you can find really strong, really light weight push rods then you have less moving mass that has to stop and change directions 100 times a second..exerting force on the valve spring...roller cams compound the problem as they usually have higher ramp rates...just another thing to think about...

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Old Feb 15, 2007 | 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by buzz12586
If you could have a hooker that might have an std for $160, or you could have one that you know is disease free for $210. What would you go with???



I'll spend the extra $50, thanks.
Can you please tell me witch one to go with....I don't have much experience with hookers. WTF does that have to do with pushrods? lmao
Old Feb 15, 2007 | 03:12 PM
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What is the difference between these 2 pushrods other than the price?

http://store.summitracing.com/egnsea...=KeywordSearch

An early post in this thread recommmended tapered pushrods. Are there any available that will work in the LT1?
Old Feb 15, 2007 | 04:33 PM
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Can you please tell me witch one to go with....I don't have much experience with hookers. WTF does that have to do with pushrods? lmao

Cheaper pushrods might last in your motor and not kill it. Chromemoly are a sure thing.
Old Feb 15, 2007 | 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by buzz12586
Cheaper pushrods might last in your motor and not kill it. Chromemoly are a sure thing.
yeah I gathered that.....

To the other guy those 2 pushrods seems comparable to each other
Old Feb 15, 2007 | 04:54 PM
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What is the difference between these 2 pushrods other than the price?

http://store.summitracing.com/egnsea...=KeywordSearch

An early post in this thread recommmended tapered pushrods. Are there any available that will work in the LT1?
They are different brands. I have noticed the Trickflow pushrods are quite a bit cheaper then the comparable Comps. I'm not sure what warrants the price gap though seeing that they are of equal dimensions and material.
Old Feb 15, 2007 | 05:08 PM
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summit also has there own brand they run about the same price as the trick flows, Have heard they are the same ones
Old Feb 15, 2007 | 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by RAT454
good stuff...

lets look at another angle...

so we have a 6000 rpm small block..pushrod moves up and down 3000 times in a minute..... 50 times a second.....you need strength but it would also be advisable to have low total weight...so if you can find really strong, really light weight push rods then you have less moving mass that has to stop and change directions 100 times a second..exerting force on the valve spring...roller cams compound the problem as they usually have higher ramp rates...just another thing to think about...

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Mass on the pushrod side of the rocker arm doesn't really mean squat. Mass on the valve side, meaning the spring, retainer, lock, and spring DO mean squat just like you said. The pushrod just needs to be stiff, lower mass is not a good trade off for less stiffness.

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