finding the cause of a dtc p0174
Re: Make a whole bunch of back pressure to find the leak
I'm not entirely sure the cause is an exhaust leak, but it makes sense. This code has also been know to be caused by vacuum leaks, but what could be leaking that only affects bank 2?
Re: finding the cause of a dtc p0174
If the o2 sensor or an exhaust leak were the cause of your lean code it would be running rich while still setting a false lean code. So it should be dumping in a whole bunch of extra fuel. Are you experiencing rich running symptoms? A raw fuel smell from the exhaust, black smoke etc?
I'd still lean towards a vacuum leak. Monitor the short and long term fuel trim for bank 2 while spraying either carb cleaner or using one of those small propane bottles near the passenger side(bank 2) of the intake near the gaskets and other fittings. If you spray in one area and the short term fuel trims move towards zero significantly you've found the source of your leak. Keep in mind the fuel trims aren't instant, it might be delayed a second or two.
I'd still lean towards a vacuum leak. Monitor the short and long term fuel trim for bank 2 while spraying either carb cleaner or using one of those small propane bottles near the passenger side(bank 2) of the intake near the gaskets and other fittings. If you spray in one area and the short term fuel trims move towards zero significantly you've found the source of your leak. Keep in mind the fuel trims aren't instant, it might be delayed a second or two.
Re: finding the cause of a dtc p0174
They could merely be sluggish or hover near one end of the readings.
Let me ask you something. You say the O2s both swing like they should and yet one bank is severely lean compared to the other. Yes?
Does the control stay in closed loop the entire time or does it jump back and forth from closed to open and back again?
What happens when you force it into open loop?
Re: finding the cause of a dtc p0174
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They could merely be sluggish or hover near one end of the readings.
Let me ask you something. You say the O2s both swing like they should and yet one bank is severely lean compared to the other. Yes?
Does the control stay in closed loop the entire time or does it jump back and forth from closed to open and back again?
What happens when you force it into open loop?
They could merely be sluggish or hover near one end of the readings.
Let me ask you something. You say the O2s both swing like they should and yet one bank is severely lean compared to the other. Yes?
Does the control stay in closed loop the entire time or does it jump back and forth from closed to open and back again?
What happens when you force it into open loop?
I have no indication of a problem other than the code, no performance issues, no black exhaust.
I've only scanned it during closed loop(I think) with the engine up to temp. How would one know if the PCM is switching back and forth? Also how would one force open loop? Unplug the MAF?
To force it into open loop all the time, merely unplug one of the front O2s. It will set a code eventually but it will put into open loop control. It would be interesting to see what the O2s see once it is in open loop. Even though the PCM ignores their readings.
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