I expect Lloyd and Bret to defend themselves like this. If not, I wouldnt think they believed in their own product.

I just got my set of LE3 heads today. I think their the ones Lloyd refers to when saying he's gotten better in the last few weeks As soon as my damn roller rockers get here (back ordered), Ill post some #'s that will show what these guys really can do.

 

I will have my dyno #'s on June 6th, and track times that very weekend.

I know dyno #'s mean squat, but oh well.

I cant wait to get my LE2 setup in.

 

How did I get sucked into this?????
Nowhere on forum have I said I was going with AI and I ALWAYS make sure to mention you Lloyd as well as AI and a few other shops when someone asks for head work.


I also know nothing about swapping heads with anyone .

 

96Capricemgr,

I figured you would be all over a test that can actually prove AI heads making more power. I guess we will have to wait until I get Ricks # or find someone else with AI heads to swap out w9ith my heads although a bracket car would be nice.

Mgray,

a good porter measures these areas in every port and gets the same regrdless. The CNC just allows this to be done quicker and then hand blended in critical areas to get the "critical" areas shaped right.

Core shift and casting differences will require you to keep a few areas on "safe" mode and then when hand blending these areas, you can get them shaped properly. You do not have different CNC programs for heads with coreshift to the left, core shift to the right and well centered castings.

As long as the CNC job does its job and the cutters stay sharp and do not move, the end result will be an EXACT COPY of the head that was copied. This "copied" head would have been HAND PORTED.

There is nothing wrong with CNC porting. There is nothing wrong with hand porting as long as the porter takes pride in what he is doing. Some big shops that do hand porting can take short cuts and put out lesser products where the CNC will be the exact same every set. These big shops are usually coasting by on their name and a shaop that takes pride in EVERY set will get the ports the same.


There are plenty of heads for both companies and I am 5-6 weks behind at all times. I usually stay out of this stuff but the more comments that come up where a few people think my heads are 10 HP BELOW the AI heads, the more I am willing to settle this and a back to back swap will show the truth. It seems that 96capricemgr doesn't want to know the results but most of us do and I am willing to ship a $1300 set of heads to have these back to back results.

Anyone comparing track times will need to look at vehicle weight and 60 ft first. The only way to compare HEADS will be to swap the heads on the same car and see the results.

Lloyd

 

There are lots of measureing tools that you can buy and make to reach in the port. It is not what is removed, it is what you are left with that matters.

Everything needs to be centered on the valve seats and certain castings will only allow you to get certain measureents in certain areas where if the casting is centered and thick, you can open these areas up another .005 to .020. As long as all 8 are equal, that is all that matters.

That is why I was wanting to swap some AI heads on to one of 3 already running cars that the heads have obviously have been purchased already.

Lloyd

 

Michelangelo could very well have said that also.

 

Happiness with a product can mean different things to different people. With your satisfied or 'happy' customers in the past to attest, it is not necessary to have the customer make the most (or more) power than the competition to be 'happy' with your heads, right?

Bottom line, customer satisfaction should be a priority. Although, don't know if I would proclaim in front of my previous customers, they have a product that is inferior to what today's customer would get. Kinda a double edged sword, no?

Edited for clarity.

 

Okay, so according to this logic which would you have Lloyd do?:

A: Rest on his laurels and make no effort to improve his product.

B: Lie to his previous customers and tell them he hasn't made any improvements to his current product.

 

I am just curious as to what exactly has been improved since the past 6 months? I dont want to bother Lloyd through email/phone, because I want him to be working on my heads.

Heck, Id be more than willing to take my heads off of my car and have a back to back test done on them, providing someone would be willing to cover the costs of shipping/insurance and however long it takes me to remove them.

 

It's common knowledge that products improve over the years... I see where you're coming from, but anyone who gets butthurt over it needs to get over it.

 

Not implying or saying what he should or shouldn't do, just stating it is a double edged sword. Sometimes the better thing to say is... nothing.

 

Hmmm, what have we here? I trust you are prepared to put your money where your mouth is! Dwayne can and will do what he wishes, but if it were me, a good buck would need to be put in MY palm. To support that statement, a couple of questions would need to be addressed. So Dwayne gets these heads from UPS, whom is gonna do the R & R? Whom is the party expected to gain (or attempting to) from this comparo? Dwayne can answer for himself, but if you (or AI and you) are willing to 'annie up' for the cost for the labor or any other costs incurred, I personally, would consider it.

 

You personally, do ongoing head flow work to establish where to make changes? Do you have your own flow bench?

 

Dude, your kinda cocky ehh....you want a comparison? Heres this for a comparison. Instead of sending heads to anyone one of these boneheads thats always all up on the porters dick^. Ill buy a LT1 car just for these tests, and pony up the jack to dyno, tune, and get all supporting bolt ons just to give unbiased results. Then ill put the car back to stock and sell it.

 

Damn man.. you've got some serious sand in your vagina. You know there's an edit feature so you don't have to clog up the thread with your accusatory posts... you can keep 'em all in one silly post.. Honestly I think you only post to sling **** on this forum. I don't think I've ever seen you make a friendly or helpful post.

I'm pretty sure Lloyd has access to a flow bench considering customers are given flow #'s.

*edit*.. eh, maybe "never" is harsh.. but still..