Well I decided that it would might be better to not go all out on P&P and a custom cam for the time being, so I am considering the cheaper alternative. I am very interested in getting the CC306 because I have heard the sound is awesome and the power is killer. Now from all you experts out there, I have a few questions and would like some advice on a few things.. Which springs would be good with this cam, and would different rockers be a good idea when installing this cam? I am now on a budget, and I am going to try to keep the cost of cam install (cam, springs, rockers, etc) and headers to under $1200. Pacesetter headers and a y-pipe can probably do ~$500 of that. So with $700 would I be able to buy the cam, springs, and new rockers that would put a lot of performance into the car? Thanks to anyone that throws up a suggestion!

Also, on the Comp Cams website for the 306 it says operating RPM 1800-5800.. What exactly does this mean, it won't be forced to idle at 1800 or anything like that right? And for current CC306 owners, does the car have that really mean lopey sound?

 

I just put the cc306 cam in my car, it does sound killer. As far as $1200.00...............you probly could but you would not get all the power. You really need to have your heads ported. I ended up spending $6000.00 but I also have an A4 so I had to buy a stall, I had the engine rebuilt. I had a machine shop do all the machine work then short block it so I could get a warranty. I also bought all the stuff in my sig. and a few more things. Good luck with what ever you choose. I LOVE my cc306, all the work and money I put in it was well worth it in my opinion.

 

If your on a budget for now, consider doing something a little more mild. The CC305 offers a little better streetability. Its also gonna give you that killer loapy sound if your looking for it. With CC305 you can get away with stock converter and computer tune till you can afford those later. It will wake your car up a boat load.
If you look to do all that your gonna be pushing the 1200 on 306.
Converter 400.00
Cam 120.00
Springs 120.00 give or take 50
Headers 500.00
PC tune 150.00 give or take some not mention the misc your gonna end up needing
Timing Chain a must, trust me they get pricey, not to mention an install price, unless your gonna do it all yourself?
Not to dog but go with the CC305 to keep a little more street friendly, and you can build on it little by little. just my thoughts though. I can hook you up with a few sounds of my auto with cc305 to show you it sounds mean as hell i get tons of comments on it.

 

Well since your sig says you have M6 you shouldn't need convertor. I did my valvetrain stuff well under 1200. The springs are comp cams good to .600 lift and they were only maybe 100. Rocker arms if on a budget you can get some off brands a little cheaper 175, go with 1.6 ratio. Guideplates are like 20. Might want to get hardened pushrods unless you already have them 75. Then you will need all the gaskets and cam. I would recommend porting and polishing the heads as soon as you can afford it though, you will make that cam work alot better. Definitely need pc tune Madz28 I think is 80. So without cam, gaskets and headers thats 450. Good luck.

 

If you want to try to go the budget way, call Combination Motorsports maybe they will be doing another cam gp soon.

Then get your headers and tune from either MadZ28 or pcmforless.

 

How much would it be for labor for all of this?

I will not have the money until next summer but it is what I want to do.

thanks

Cameron

 

here's what you need with the 306 cam
New springs comp 987-16 Dual spring, 1.430 in. two spring, .697 in. inside diameter, 344 lb. spring rate, dual valve springs 84.99
New retainers Comp 748-16 steel retainers 1.500 to 1.550 in. double valve spring diameters, 10 degree locks, steel, valve spring retainers 59.99.
Comp 10 degree locks 613-16 10 degree lock angle, 11/32 in. valve stem, machined, without recess for lash cap, super valve locks 25.00.
Comp Pushrods Chevrolet: 1987-up 305/350, OEM hydraulic roller cam, 5/16 in. diameter, 7.195 in. long, pushrods 35.00.
Might also need valve seats as well and shims possibly 25.00-45.00.
If you go with 1.6 Rollers, you will need a pushrod that is 7.200 instead of 7.195 130.00

It adds up quick huh? If you go with the 305, you still need the same stuff. This is only if you do it right the first time.

 

Now labor is going to bend you over and not use vaseline
You are looking at around 1200.00 if you also need the springs installed as well.

 

Thanks for the replies guys. I already have a MadZ28 tune and unlimited tunes by email, so that won't cost any more. And yes, it is an M6. I really don't have the money to port the heads right now. This is not going to be a daily driver after summer because I will be going to college and parking it in a garage, so streetability isn't a huge issue.. I'll post more when I get off work, boss is comin!

 

Ok so I am planning on doing the install myself with the help of some other people in the local area. About 4 or 5 people I know have done cam installs in their LS1s within the past month or so. Little different, but general principle is the same, and the tools will all be accessible. So how much harder is it to install pushrods and the stuff for 1.6 rockers than just putting the cam and springs in. Hopefully not much more than a few hours of work right?

 

It can be done in a couple hours yes. You have to take everything off the fromt of the engine but, once you get the fans,radiator and condenser out, there is ALOT of room!

 

Don't count on it taking only a few hours....that isn't going to happen. Something is going to end slowing you down....for instance a part breaking. It took me about a solid days worth of work (12 ish hours) from tear down to rebuild. Also, as a owner of a cc305 I must disagree w/ the "ausome" sound that it has.... Honestly, I was disappointed w/ how mild the cam is. I wish I would have not spent the time on it becasue it is a lot of work....and when you aren't doing any head work to go along w/ it, I would say that it isn't worth your time, money, and tears. But again that is simply my opinion. Jason

 

I forgot to say that installing the RR's and pushrods is a cake walk. You could do it **** drunk. THe only hard part properly torking or "lashing" the RR's.

 

Yeah I was just talking about the pushrods and rrs being an extra few hours, not the whole install. The guys I know seem to have done the whole install in a day and a half (minus some of the problems). One guy's bolt got jammed putting it back in and he had to tow it to a shop to get it out, but then everything was good. Another one's rockers came loose but after he put the red locktite on them there has been no problems. Downtime isn't really a big pisser to me unless it is like a few days overdue and for some little reason. So about the timing chain that someone mentioned, is this pretty much a must?

 

I replaced my timing chain when I did mine...simply b/c once you get that far, you realize that you don't want to have to take it down that far again just to fix something that you could have avoided by spending a few bucks on. I went w/ the stock chain though. You have no reason to go out any buy some fancy pants cain for a 305....I would recommend that you spend the extra 50 bucks for a brand new stock chain for peace of mind.