LS1 Based Engine Tech LS1 / LS6 / LS2 / LS3 / LS7 Engine Tech

Traction Control Logic Module

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Feb 13, 2003 | 12:02 AM
  #16  
Jack&Dee's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 60
From: San Antonio
the guy above my post was confused... i was just answer his question....
Your right, I fully apologize for playing the a$$. This whole issue has just been very annoying. I have been calling everyone to try and figure it out why my car is setup this way and really thought I could get some help here. The dealer wants to look at it, I just can't lose my car for a day and SLP day is Saturday. Kind of hard to tell the dealer I want it fixed to drag it. Really wanted to take it to the track for the first time to see how she ran, but having to feather the gas off the line kind of sucks. This is all I can say about the problem:
I do not have a switch or button or anything for the TC. I have goosed it over and over from a dead stop and from a slow roll. It starts to spin, and then it feels kind of like I let off the gas, the light comes on and it quits spinning taking a few to develop back to full power. From a dead stop I can make it go off from 2-4 times before I hit second and sometimes right after second.
All anyone can figure is the car should have had a switch and its laying somewhere in the wiring. If anyone has a wiring schematic of the TC system or knows where there is a link to one that would help also. Sorry again stik.
Old Feb 13, 2003 | 12:07 AM
  #17  
stik6shift98's Avatar
Banned
 
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 4,254
From: Darien, IL, usa (Chicago W.Suburbs)
no harm done.....

you cant turn it off....ill go searching for info....

Last edited by stik6shift98; Feb 13, 2003 at 12:15 AM.
Old Feb 13, 2003 | 12:47 AM
  #18  
Jack&Dee's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 60
From: San Antonio
Thanks bro, hope your searches turn out better then mine did.
Old Feb 13, 2003 | 01:21 PM
  #19  
Z-Attitude's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 244
From: South Texas
To: Jack&Dee

Nice car. The ASR switch should be beside the "35th Annv. Camaro" plaque above the radio. There should be a switch for the fog lights, and right by it the ASR switch. Is there a blank installed where the button should be? If it is not there and you do have ASR from what you explained, I'd look behind that panel to see if the connector is hanging there and the factory just did not put the switch in by mistake. You could by the switch if you can not wait to get it to the dealer. I pulled that panel myself (just pops straight off) and put the Camaro plaque in the center and the fog light switch on the right and the ASR switch on the left. Made it looked more balanced on the dash. Let us know what you found for the fix. I have never heard of a missing switch with ASR. But GM can screw up anything. Later>>>>>>
Old Feb 13, 2003 | 01:40 PM
  #20  
PhantomTA's Avatar
Moderator
 
Joined: May 1999
Posts: 2,881
From: Chelsea, MI
If you do not have a switch that says ASR you do not have traction control.

If you spin the tires a light will light up.. its the Low traction light.

you cant turn off something you dont have.
Old Feb 13, 2003 | 03:10 PM
  #21  
2002 NBM Bird's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 189
From: Just south of Hell!!!
IDK, I have an 02 with TCS and I have a switch???

Anyhow maybe GM did forget to put the switch in......That would be awfully stupid on their part
Old Feb 13, 2003 | 03:12 PM
  #22  
2002 NBM Bird's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 189
From: Just south of Hell!!!
Oh yeah, can you do a burnout???
Old Feb 13, 2003 | 07:20 PM
  #23  
Jack&Dee's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 60
From: San Antonio
Oh yeah, can you do a burnout???
No I cannot do a burnout...

If you do not have a switch that says ASR you do not have traction control.
What was the point of even saying that? I am glad we have people moderating this board that are so wise. Thanks for that post.

I am done debateing if it's there. I have made it as clear as I can.

I will post when I find something out. Dee had the car all day today so I didnt have a chance to pull the covers and look. I am betting the switch is laying back there somewhere.

Last edited by Jack&Dee; Feb 13, 2003 at 07:28 PM.
Old Feb 13, 2003 | 07:48 PM
  #24  
PhantomTA's Avatar
Moderator
 
Joined: May 1999
Posts: 2,881
From: Chelsea, MI
Im kinda speaking from experience here, with that comes knowledge.

Did you buy the car new? do you have the window sticker?

Why dont you just give the dealer you vin and let them run it and see if you even have the option..

You really do have an attitude with the people that are telling you a simple fact. You simply do not have traction control if you have no switch...

You would be the only car in exisitance with it and no switch
Old Feb 13, 2003 | 09:26 PM
  #25  
Jack&Dee's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 60
From: San Antonio
No I did not buy it new. No I do not have the window sticker. It is pretty obvious from what the car is doing; I am not going to repost what I said in three different posts, that the car does have traction control. Yes, if I was in doubt I could have the VIN run, and when I take it in I probably will ask for a copy. I spent 4 years as a mechanic at a dealership seeing everything from the wrong hubcaps to switches for options the car doesn't have on brand new Lincoln Mercury's. There’s much worse things coming from the factory that the dealer fixes before you ever see it on the lot. We even had two LS's that didn't run.
How can you say I don't have experience with cars? I don't have a website of my life story for you to read so how would you know? I did in fact read your website and see you have experience modding cars and have been in the scene for several years. I hardly think at 24 you’re an expert on much of anything as I am not at 28. Although at 24 I think I thought the same way. Anyway, all I was asking for was some help. Not to defend what is or isn't equipped, or what my experieAs for my short flame earlier, I apologized and yes I went off. I mistook his meaning as what you are doing now which is just trying to start a flame.nce is in the automotive field.
Old Feb 13, 2003 | 09:52 PM
  #26  
2000redZ's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 14
From: Illinois
haha I cant beleve these people who are saying if you dont have the switch you dont have traction control. They are idiots but anyhow, RK sport as a traction control switch that may work, check that out. It may be the same one as you have been looking at but couldnt hurt to check it out. Later, Alex
Old Feb 13, 2003 | 11:33 PM
  #27  
Jerm93z28's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Nov 1999
Posts: 363
From: spartanburg,sc usa
you need to chill.... nobody was flaming you, they were just stating the simple fact that t/c cars have switches. if yours doesnt, then thats a factory messup.
if you want help, you have to learn to listen to people instead of defending your brain.
since you spent 4 years in the dealership i would have thought you knew how to get your car's options list, but i wouldnt want to flame you.
geez...
jeremy
Old Feb 14, 2003 | 12:47 AM
  #28  
AL SS590 M6's Avatar
Moderator
 
Joined: Jul 1998
Posts: 6,247
From: Charlotte,MI USA
Originally posted by Jack&Dee
No I did not buy it new. No I do not have the window sticker. It is pretty obvious from what the car is doing; I am not going to repost what I said in three different posts, that the car does have traction control. Not to defend what is or isn't equipped, or what my experieAs for my short flame earlier, I apologized and yes I went off. I mistook his meaning as what you are doing now which is just trying to start a flame.nce is in the automotive field.
Jack you can end this debate once and forever. Look underneath the hood on the passengers side of the motor and see if the throttle cable hooks directly to the throttle body. If it does then NO traction control. If it goes to an electronic module first then to the throttle body you indeed have traction control.
Another way to tell is crawl under the back and look at the brake backing plates. TCS/ASR cars have reluctors and ABS sensors at the wheels where non-TCS/ASR cars have a single reluctor and ABS sensor in the differential.
In your descriptions you never mentioned the gas pedal pushing back against your foot which is one of the things that happens when the TCS/ASR activates.
You need to keep an open mind. I'm open to the possibility that Chevy screwed up and didn't mount the ASR switch. You need to be open to the possibility that your car doesn't have ASR and that some other defect is causing the car to spin and bog.
I sincerely hope that your car is the one freak that Dave or I has ever heard of with ASR and they forgot the switch. But you are way off base as far as Daves knowledge of the LS1 F-body. And yes I've known Dave for 5 years and I have 2 of the beasts myself.
Old Feb 14, 2003 | 12:54 AM
  #29  
GrdLockV6's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 604
From: Houston, TX
check on your rear axle... if your ABS connector is ontop of the pumpkin, you don't have TCS, period the end i don't care if you think you have it, if your ABS connector is on the pumpkin you don't have it.

If your abs connector isn't on there, then take your car in cause SOMEHOW I dunno how but then your switch is missing... Maybe the previous owner wanted it always on so they took the switch out and permantely connected the wires lol.
Old Feb 14, 2003 | 08:56 AM
  #30  
Jack&Dee's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 60
From: San Antonio
if you want help, you have to learn to listen to people instead of defending your brain.
What help is saying if you don’t have a switch you don't have it over and over again. That was phantoms reply to the other people reading the board. It wasn't posted for my benefit or to help me figure it out. If he wanted to help, or show his knowledge he would have posted something similar to Al's post. I do have an attitude when someone shoots the BS flag over and over, as any of you would if you where trying to solve a problem that I repeatedly posted didn't exist on your car. Cut me some slack, I am just trying to figure out a problem and thought I could get some useful info from those of you with experience in the LS1's. It's not a lot of help when your sole debate is no switch, no TC. Anything could have happened with it.

But you are way off base as far as Daves knowledge of the LS1 F-body.
I never said Dave didn’t know what he was talking about on F-bodies. I only said he doesn’t know everything and isn't an expert on much of anything by 23. What does it look like when the only thing he posted was
You really do have an attitude with the people that are telling you a simple fact. You simply do not have traction control if you have no switch... If you do not have a switch that says ASR you do not have traction control.
If you spin the tires a light will light up.. its the Low traction light.
you cant turn off something you dont have.[it wont do you any good if you dont have the switch, cause you dont have traction control
The only bit of knowledge was
the logic modual plugs into switch so when you start the car it defaults the traction conttrol to the off posistion.
Jack you can end this debate once and forever. Look underneath the hood on the passengers side of the motor and see if the throttle cable hooks directly to the throttle body.
This is helpful and knowledgeable, thank you for posting.

check on your rear axle... if your ABS connector is ontop of the pumpkin, you don't have TCS, period the end i don't care if you think you have it, if your ABS connector is on the pumpkin you don't have it.
This is help also and thanks for posting. I will check these two things out later in the day before I pull the cover and start digging.
One last thing, sorry for the length:

I sincerely hope that your car is the one freak that Dave or I has ever heard of with ASR and they forgot the switch.
Yet is this not possible? Any number of things could have happened to it. I may not have traction control, it could be something else. Never said that I wasn't open to this. But basing everything off of a switch and standing behind that is flimsy at best. Basing it off of the actual components, priceless.
Thanks again for the help.



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:39 AM.