heads @ cam
Being legal is very on topic seeing how he is in CA and he did specify STREETABLE in caps and all.
What you consider custom?
The CheaTR is a custom grind that TR sells. It was designed to optimize factory manifolds and I think Patrick G spec'd it. It isn't something that Comp Cams came up with and every shop sells like the 224 grind. Now the 224 I would consider "off the shelf".
What you consider custom?
The CheaTR is a custom grind that TR sells. It was designed to optimize factory manifolds and I think Patrick G spec'd it. It isn't something that Comp Cams came up with and every shop sells like the 224 grind. Now the 224 I would consider "off the shelf".
Edit from earlier, my cam peaks at 6200 not 6400 I read the graph wrong.
I'm not the builder. I just know Cali smog laws relatively well. Ya, I'm sure most of the domestic car crowd in CA would run LT's and larger cams if they could and not have to worry about passing emmisions and inspections. You keep missing the point that CA is more strict about emissions and mods than anywhere else in the US.
Ya, he could probably have a better set up by having the heads and cam spec'd together, but IMO people who post a thread wanting to know "which cam" etc apparently don't want to do the research or spend the time finding someone to spec everything for them. Otherwise they would have already contacted a shop that specializes in LS1's. I'd bet if he called Thunder Racing they'd probably steer him to the same cam I did w/some AFR heads.
So because Bauer sells less cams, his are more custom than a shop that specs the grind themselves and sells more? If the specs were known your cam very well may be an "off the shelf" grind or very similar. If you don't know the specs, how do you know it isn't? Yes, I'm sceptical about "secret" grinds.
Ya, he could probably have a better set up by having the heads and cam spec'd together, but IMO people who post a thread wanting to know "which cam" etc apparently don't want to do the research or spend the time finding someone to spec everything for them. Otherwise they would have already contacted a shop that specializes in LS1's. I'd bet if he called Thunder Racing they'd probably steer him to the same cam I did w/some AFR heads.
So because Bauer sells less cams, his are more custom than a shop that specs the grind themselves and sells more? If the specs were known your cam very well may be an "off the shelf" grind or very similar. If you don't know the specs, how do you know it isn't? Yes, I'm sceptical about "secret" grinds.
Last edited by Greed4Speed; Dec 3, 2007 at 05:29 PM.
I'm not the builder. I just know Cali smog laws relatively well. Ya, I'm sure most of the domestic car crowd in CA would run LT's and larger cams if they could and not have to worry about passing emmisions and inspections. You keep missing the point that CA is more strict about emissions and mods than anywhere else in the US.
Ya, he could probably have a better set up by having the heads and cam spec'd together, but IMO people who post a thread wanting to know "which cam" etc apparently don't want to do the research or spend the time finding someone to spec everything for them. Otherwise they would have already contacted a shop that specializes in LS1's. I'd bet if he called Thunder Racing they'd probably steer him to the same cam I did w/some AFR heads.
So because Bauer sells less cams, his are more custom than a shop that specs the grind themselves and sells more? If the specs were known your cam very well may be an "off the shelf" grind or very similar. If you don't know the specs, how do you know it isn't? Yes, I'm sceptical about "secret" grinds.
Ya, he could probably have a better set up by having the heads and cam spec'd together, but IMO people who post a thread wanting to know "which cam" etc apparently don't want to do the research or spend the time finding someone to spec everything for them. Otherwise they would have already contacted a shop that specializes in LS1's. I'd bet if he called Thunder Racing they'd probably steer him to the same cam I did w/some AFR heads.
So because Bauer sells less cams, his are more custom than a shop that specs the grind themselves and sells more? If the specs were known your cam very well may be an "off the shelf" grind or very similar. If you don't know the specs, how do you know it isn't? Yes, I'm sceptical about "secret" grinds.
I never specified his cams are more custom then larger shops customs cams so I fail to see why you are asking a question that makes it seem as such...I am saying that maybe the CheaTR cam would work well for him, maybe not. He won't know unless he contacts a professional. Would you rather he just threw that in there and ran it whether it was the best for his application or not? I wouldn't. I know the specs of my cam, so again with the assuming. I know my cams not an off the shelf cam, and I also know there isn't anything super special about my cam...however it was spec'd to the proper valve events to meet my requirements, and to match the other parts used....all while still being smaller then many of the other run of the mill cams out there. If you had a clue about cams you would understand why he prefers his cam specs be not mentioned, he thinks about things different and does good work, why should what he spec's be common knowledge for every tom dick n' harry to copy what he does? He doesn't charge more then off the shelf cams so I don't understand what makes you or anyone else think you are entitled to knowing everyones exact setup. He isn't the only person to do things this way, nor was he the first...if you don't like the way he does business go somewhere else.
Gentlemen ,
Please! I did not intend to start a range war!!
I am slack-jawed at the amount of tech info I have read through. In all honesty I do not ,outside of in principle, fathom the specific impact of the grind particulars in relationship to air flow/porting/head mods.
I am not asking you [plural] to do my home work for me. I had only hoped for a genenal direction for a Calif. NORMALLY aspirated steetable smogable ss. If I understand the general direction, it seems to point to a 'package' head/cam setup.
I thank all of you for your comments and direction. I do know more now than when I started. Kind of when my son said....."It's the peddle on the right dad".
Please! I did not intend to start a range war!!
I am slack-jawed at the amount of tech info I have read through. In all honesty I do not ,outside of in principle, fathom the specific impact of the grind particulars in relationship to air flow/porting/head mods.
I am not asking you [plural] to do my home work for me. I had only hoped for a genenal direction for a Calif. NORMALLY aspirated steetable smogable ss. If I understand the general direction, it seems to point to a 'package' head/cam setup.
I thank all of you for your comments and direction. I do know more now than when I started. Kind of when my son said....."It's the peddle on the right dad".
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