I am thinking about sticking Thunder Racing's CheaTR setup on the T/A. I'm either going to do just the cam or the H/C that uses AFR 205 heads. I am curious what kind of track results you guys are seeing out of it. And what kind of street manners and idle quality it has. Does it really behave like stock?

 

there really hasn't been much talk of that cam since it cam out. but everything indicated that it behaved like stock but with much more power.

i think the issue is that most guys just want more power. and with the tuning capabilities of todays tuners, along with the power potential and streetability of bigger cams...everyone ends up going bigger.

that and some of the excitement of owning a cammed car is the sound...

 

I think this is the big reason. There are several sleeper cams that make great power but don't get any notice because people want the lope. The MTI stealth grinds come to mind also.




Talk to PatrickG on tech.

 

Eh my LT has plenty of lope. I am going after the sleeper approach this time. Thanks for the input fellas.

 

Ive been doing some research on these sleeper cams lately. I havent found much on these cams, but the average number Im seeing from the Stealth II cam are about 375 at the ground with all the bolt ons and a tune.

Its true most people want the lope, but in my case my SS is a DD and Id like to keep the noise more bearable, and keep the economy up a little also. 375 at the wheels can make a car plenty fast for the daily grind and occasional street hustle.

 

And they do well on the juice or FI.

Just do a search on tech for them. You'll find plenty of info. There are times where I do wish I had gone with a sleeper cam. It would be fun to sneak up on someone running a noticable cam. A friend of mine has a great set up for this. The gt2-3 w/ported LS1 heads. 400 whp w/a totally stock idle and manners.

 

375 at the groud would be more tha enough for me. I still want to run this at the track every now and again and also aviod putting a cage in it. So something in the 11.8 would be as fast as I'd ever push it. I'm off to tech now

 

For the same price you could go with a bigger cam like the F11 and make much more power and still have a cam that doesn't lope too hard.

Want less lope? Get a big cam and raise the idle. Stealth cams are marketing hype.



Mike

 

Higher idle = less milage in traffic. Not to mention it is a dead give away that someone is hiding a larger cam's idle. Its a VERY old trick and not going to fool any with any slight knowlege.

A f11 will lope much more than a stealth grind. Ya, that 228 may have a mild lope but it definately can't be considered remotely stock sounding. There is a BIG difference between "doesn't lope that hard" and "stockish."

Hype? I wouldn't call a cam with only 224/220 duration that gets good fuel economy with a stock idle that can make 370-380 whp hype. Guess by those standards the very popular 224 was all hype too. Talk to Predator-Z on tech about the hype of stealth grinds.

Not everyone wants a big lopey cam, and not everyone can run headers. Steath grinds are great for emissions hadicaps.

Then you have the fun factor. No you won't turn heads with your wild idle, but its fun to run people who think you're bolt on only, but you have heads and cam and are putting down 400+ whp or more. Think how someone with a cam only F13 would feel if they ran a car like that and lost. Even if a car that was thought to be bolt-on only keeps up with a large cammed car would be funny.

So if futral had a steath grind would it still be hype???

 

Knowing how Alan is on a personal level, I doubt he'd ever go that route since like I said. The F11 doesn't idle too rough.
He's about power and performance, not about hype.

He's famous for building 1000 rwhp turbo cars and monster stroker motors. Have you ever seen another LS1 Tuner Shop build an 800 AWHP Turbo LS1 Stroker Escalade on 24s for an NFL player that would light up all four tiresl? Guess not. It should go somewhere in the lower 11s.

Mike

 

But its not always about hype. When Im ready to do my SS, over 400 to the wheels without any sound than stock is what I want, not so much so I can hustle some people, just because I dont want the car all crazy loud and loping around. I dont want any lope at all. My car doesnt have a stall, and I dont plan on putting one in because what I will sacrifice for DD comforts is very little.

The go a little bigger and make more power arguement is kinda null. Theres always a little bigger and a little more power.

 

There are plenty of topics about it at LS1tech.com