I think everyone understands that concepts proven in the lab need to be verified in the real world.

Mark: thanks! I agree that it has been interesting to get the different viewpoints out there. I doubt any minds were changed, but at least some opinions are out there for newbs to using boost fluids to consider. If this were my forum, I'd sticky the thread. I will suggest that to the mod here.

Rich

 

But seriously, I'm asking. Why shouldn't I call meth injection meth injection? I totally accept the possibility that water+meth could yield better results (pending proof, like everyone else here), but why should I call the system I'm using by a misleading/inaccurate name?

That's what I really want to know.

 

You can call it something other than water injection only if you have no concern for my feelings, you brute

Rich

 

Engine detonates hard in street car while testing various internal coolants, engine breaks (head gasket, piston etc.) and requires an inconvenient tow home while hopefully learning something.

Engine detonates hard in an airplane while in flight while testing various internal coolants in hope of increasing maximum performance of aircraft for the war effort. Engines breaks, pilot has nowhere safe to land away from population and must try to ditch aircraft in a way so as not to injure or kill someone. Pilot must take plane all the way down auguring it into the ground. Pilot dies, data recorder destroyed, family and friends grieve everybody asks why this had to happen.

Reply, somebody on CamaroZ28.com didn't believe knowledge gained from a controlled test.

just kidding, really. Thanks for the conversation.

Mark

 

Mark, I didn't say that the water doesn't work in the WWII planes. What I did say is this test does not prove that it works with our cars. I have seen many nearly identicly prepared LT1s that made different amounts of power and required different tweaks in the tuning to produce max power. Every one of these damn cars wants something a little different.

To close the water or alky argument once and for all I will use something we all understand BEER! Beer is an alchoholic beverage even though it contains far more water than alchohol. SO this goes against the water argument if your not running 100% water it is indeed ALKY injection Dammitt! Don't you dare start arguing about beer

 

Hopefully they had two engines when they were testing boost coolers in flight.LOL

 

I would guess cost was a major factor in the decision making for planes... cost of water consumption versus methanol.

 

Ever been to a japaneese steak house and have the chef pour light beer on the grill? Fires right off in flame. Pretty amazing considering its only 5% alcohol by volume. hmmm.....light beer injection.....

 

Yes and making methanol available for the planes would be a logistical nightmare. Can you imagine "We ran out of methanol now the planes are all grounded."

The military uses one single fuel (JP8) for M1A1 tanks, Apache Helicopters, 5 ton trucks, HEMMT's and Humvees. They use one fuel to keep things logistically simple and inexpensive not because JP8 is the best fuel.

 

Non-alcoholic beer=water injection
Beer=water/mix injection
Bourbon=Alky injection

A few in the test group felt they got drunk drinking the non-alcoholic beer.

Hows that

 

For personal consumption I am in your camp, Julio - EtOH "injection" all the way! That beer stuff is for sissies and girls. Especially "light" beer. Bleech. They say methanol is a great high too, but if it doesn't kill you it will make you blind.

BTW: as far as logistics, the military used a methanol:water mix, so they had to supply methanol anyway. Methanol is cheap and easy to produce in industrial quantities. It is now made from natural gas but can be easily produced by fermenting wood (hence the term "wood alcohol") and can also be produced from coal. I don't know how they made it in WWII. In the long term, there is plenty of it: In 2006 astronomers using the MERLIN array of radio telescopes at Jodrell Bank Observatory discovered a huge cloud of methanol in space. The cloud measures 300 billion miles across, and is emitted from stars as they form.

Rich

 

You mean that goofy methanol deposit in the Corona Borealis galaxy? That thing is some 400 million parsecs away (1 parsec=20 trillion miles) and the light from it is over a billion years old, so it might not be there anymore, LOL.

I think this discussion has really been good (up to this point), but I still don't know what to run in my car, although I'm tempted to try a larger meth concentration to see where that gets me.

 

Does Water Injection Increase Cylinder Pressure?

 

I suppose it does, as would methanol when it phase changes from liquid to gas.

Rich

 

I'm asking because i'm running 7lbs on the stock LT1 bottom end and looking for more power without speeding up the inevidable.I'm only able to run about 18 degrees of timing right now. In my situation would this be a route i should take.