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Chris Sikora has his YS mounted up where the S Trim is usually mounted, so the blower inlet is facing the rear. Email Chris at znines@earthlink.net for any tech questions, I know he currently runs custom brackets he made from half inch steel.
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Chris Sikora has his YS mounted up where the S Trim is usually mounted, so the blower inlet is facing the rear. Email Chris at znines@earthlink.net for any tech questions, I know he currently runs custom brackets he made from half inch steel.
Do you know if there is a number he can be reached at?Originally posted by Pro Stock John
Chris Sikora has his YS mounted up where the S Trim is usually mounted, so the blower inlet is facing the rear. Email Chris at znines@earthlink.net for any tech questions, I know he currently runs custom brackets he made from half inch steel.
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Email me and I will give you his cell number.
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Originally posted by Pro Stock John
Email me and I will give you his cell number.
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we have a F1R on a 87 Formula. it's a 406,doesnt go above 7300rpm. we chose the F1R over the YS for a few reason's,some of them included the YS wouldnt make the target power goals without overspinning the hell out of it (and yes NMRA cars spin the YS to extreme's,and they come apart). And the YS didnt flow enough air for our goals.
the F1r has wroked great,we have much less belt issues then with the old T trim,both setup's are cog. This is partially due to ATI's better internal stepup ratio allowing a larger blower pulley for more belt wrap.
It is a street car,passes inspection blah blah,will run around on 93 all day.
It has performed well,best to date is 9.27@151 with a spinning 1.46 60',it now has a transbrake and different gears outback.Car weight is 3570ish w/driver.
Tory's car is a fine example of what an F1R can accomplish... but I dissagree with the statment that you would have to overspin the Y/S-trim to reach the same horsepower levels. My combo was dyno'd on the same machine as Tory's, with almost the exact final number's... and I ran the Y/S at 65,400 rpm at 7500.Originally posted by RacinLT1
we have a F1R on a 87 Formula. it's a 406,doesnt go above 7300rpm. we chose the F1R over the YS for a few reason's,some of them included the YS wouldnt make the target power goals without overspinning the hell out of it (and yes NMRA cars spin the YS to extreme's,and they come apart). And the YS didnt flow enough air for our goals.
the F1r has wroked great,we have much less belt issues then with the old T trim,both setup's are cog. This is partially due to ATI's better internal stepup ratio allowing a larger blower pulley for more belt wrap.
It is a street car,passes inspection blah blah,will run around on 93 all day.
It has performed well,best to date is 9.27@151 with a spinning 1.46 60',it now has a transbrake and different gears outback.Car weight is 3570ish w/driver.
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One of the Mustang Renegade guys I know said he spins his to 65K and in that class they run blowers with 306ci engine at 3300 raceweight wtih no intercooler...
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And he went a best of 8.98@ 151.5 at 3250 raceweight with a YS Trim and no intercooler.
All I am saying is, based on my own personal research, for when I was buying parts for my car, I only found strong examples of Vortech huffed cars, and only a few examples of ATI cars that would win races where there rules putting all the cars on a level playing field.
The other blower I wonder about is the Novi 2000. ATI and Powerdyne never made my list.
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And he went a best of 8.98@ 151.5 at 3250 raceweight with a YS Trim and no intercooler.
All I am saying is, based on my own personal research, for when I was buying parts for my car, I only found strong examples of Vortech huffed cars, and only a few examples of ATI cars that would win races where there rules putting all the cars on a level playing field.
The other blower I wonder about is the Novi 2000. ATI and Powerdyne never made my list.
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If I went with an F-1R on a car, it would be for racing only. Trying to make a street car with a small block and a race blower like the F-1R (especially w/ the 5:1 gearing) would be kinda odd. I do agree with you about Procharger not releasing their compressor maps. Makes ya wonder what's to hide.
I probably would've tried the F-1R route, if I hadn't switched to turbos. If I ever do another belt-driven blower car (not likely), it'll be an F-1R or F-2/F-2M. Now building a small block that can use all 1600+cfm of that blower...well.
I probably would've tried the F-1R route, if I hadn't switched to turbos. If I ever do another belt-driven blower car (not likely), it'll be an F-1R or F-2/F-2M. Now building a small block that can use all 1600+cfm of that blower...well.
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The only two examples of F1R's I have knowledge of personally both spin to around 8000-8500 and should run like 8.30's according to the owners.
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Idox,
Madman went 9.3 with his YS, which he said had the older impeller. He went to the D1X and went 9.18 but also changed his intercooler. MPH was around the same.
Dallas Castro's old green Camaro went 9.40@149mph with an ATI on it's last pass a few years ago.
Madman went 9.3 with his YS, which he said had the older impeller. He went to the D1X and went 9.18 but also changed his intercooler. MPH was around the same.
Dallas Castro's old green Camaro went 9.40@149mph with an ATI on it's last pass a few years ago.
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I have a question for Pro Stock John....
What is your reasoning to say that the F-1R is only good for a high RPM engine? It flows more at less impeller RPM than the F-1.
Here are the specs.
F-1 1525 CFM 70,000RPM max. 5:1 int. ratio
F-1R 2000 CFM 68,000RPM max. 5:1 int. ratio
The F-1R is still streetable. Been there done that.
The F-1 is only 125 CFM more than a D-1 so it isn't that large.
The old D-1X was 1900 CFM now replaced with the revised D-1R 2000CFM.
Since I'm a Procharger distributor I'll stay away from the Vortech vs. Procharger debate as I do not want to be biased.
No flames intended, I just want to hear why you ruled out the F-1R as a choice in blowers.
What is your reasoning to say that the F-1R is only good for a high RPM engine? It flows more at less impeller RPM than the F-1.
Here are the specs.
F-1 1525 CFM 70,000RPM max. 5:1 int. ratio
F-1R 2000 CFM 68,000RPM max. 5:1 int. ratio
The F-1R is still streetable. Been there done that.
The F-1 is only 125 CFM more than a D-1 so it isn't that large.
The old D-1X was 1900 CFM now replaced with the revised D-1R 2000CFM.
Since I'm a Procharger distributor I'll stay away from the Vortech vs. Procharger debate as I do not want to be biased.
No flames intended, I just want to hear why you ruled out the F-1R as a choice in blowers.
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I wish to thank Dirk for draging me into this 
I have owned a T-trim and now a F1-R with no complaints about either one. The YS has proven to be a great blower on several cars but I went with the F1-R for my own reasons.
I'm a little confused at John saying you need to spin the motor to 8000 for a F1-R to work. If pullied correctly, you could max the blower out at 6000 if you wanted. I'm only turning mine at 7000 which equals a 62000 impeller speed. The max is 68000. According to some good resources, they are guys in the NMRA turning them at 75000 with no problem.
John, I thought we were talking about blowers, not cubic inches. As you will see, cubic inches dont mean a hell of a lot when it comes to a blower car. Obviously we are talking about stuffing one these under the hood of a forth gen with an LT1, so I would opt for either the F1 or the YS. You cant go wrong with either one IMO.
I have owned a T-trim and now a F1-R with no complaints about either one. The YS has proven to be a great blower on several cars but I went with the F1-R for my own reasons.
I'm a little confused at John saying you need to spin the motor to 8000 for a F1-R to work. If pullied correctly, you could max the blower out at 6000 if you wanted. I'm only turning mine at 7000 which equals a 62000 impeller speed. The max is 68000. According to some good resources, they are guys in the NMRA turning them at 75000 with no problem.
John, I thought we were talking about blowers, not cubic inches. As you will see, cubic inches dont mean a hell of a lot when it comes to a blower car. Obviously we are talking about stuffing one these under the hood of a forth gen with an LT1, so I would opt for either the F1 or the YS. You cant go wrong with either one IMO.
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If you guys want to compare blowers, find cars with the same parts and look at their results.
Look at the original topic. Are there any 9 second LT1 cars with an F1. The answer is no so far. But I provided a number of examples of YS/YSi cars.
Look at Chris Sikora's car. He runs a 1600 cfm blower, not a 2000 cfm F1R, and went a best of 159mph at 3420 raceweight at Byron or Cordova.
If I were to look at the F1R, would I not want to compare ~2000 cfm Vortech products?
We shouldn't get into a F1 vs YS/YSi argument because the YS/YSi is going to win that argument purely based on results.
The current blown record in NMRA Renegade is held by Dan Jaynes, 8.88 or so... A YSi car not an F1R.
Here is how I look at it. The YS/YSi blowers work really well and the NMRA allows the F1R because the F1 does not cut it with a direct comparison. Still the fastest NMRA Renegade cars are running YS/YSi blowers.
The F1R is more hardcore than a YS/YSi, and it is. It's a 2000 cfm blower, not a 1500/1600 smaller head unit like the YS. The F1R would not even fit in my car. unless I moved even more stuff around.
Just find me examples of F1 cars that are fast and then we've got a decent discussion going. To me the YS/YSi is an overchiever, and the F1R is a solid blower too. But I see no data to support the idea of getting an F1 since it's showing up as a heck of a lot better, if at all, than a D1. If we could see the compressor maps for ATI stuff maybe we'd have a more scientific conversation.
I'm only biased because of my research.
Look at the original topic. Are there any 9 second LT1 cars with an F1. The answer is no so far. But I provided a number of examples of YS/YSi cars.
Look at Chris Sikora's car. He runs a 1600 cfm blower, not a 2000 cfm F1R, and went a best of 159mph at 3420 raceweight at Byron or Cordova.
If I were to look at the F1R, would I not want to compare ~2000 cfm Vortech products?
We shouldn't get into a F1 vs YS/YSi argument because the YS/YSi is going to win that argument purely based on results.
The current blown record in NMRA Renegade is held by Dan Jaynes, 8.88 or so... A YSi car not an F1R.
Here is how I look at it. The YS/YSi blowers work really well and the NMRA allows the F1R because the F1 does not cut it with a direct comparison. Still the fastest NMRA Renegade cars are running YS/YSi blowers.
The F1R is more hardcore than a YS/YSi, and it is. It's a 2000 cfm blower, not a 1500/1600 smaller head unit like the YS. The F1R would not even fit in my car. unless I moved even more stuff around.
Just find me examples of F1 cars that are fast and then we've got a decent discussion going. To me the YS/YSi is an overchiever, and the F1R is a solid blower too. But I see no data to support the idea of getting an F1 since it's showing up as a heck of a lot better, if at all, than a D1. If we could see the compressor maps for ATI stuff maybe we'd have a more scientific conversation.
I'm only biased because of my research.
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And sure you can pulley up a blower setup to buzz the head unit but if you are say in a class that requires you run an 8 rib (NMRA Renegade), that does not let you run a solid roller cam (NMRA Renegade), you need to realize that a small (stock size ) motor will need to buzz rpms to make power with a blower and maybe the bigger CFM head units are not as competitive since you can't buzz a hydraulic roller setup as how as you might need to make the power you need. As much as you pulley something to come on faster you are still limited by some factors.
Tory's car is stout for sure but he's got cubes on a setup like Chris who run an LT4 headed 383ci hydraulic LT1. I don't want to compare Tory's setup to Chris's because Chris is running really great if he runs 8.7's in my book and Tory is running really great if he goes 8.40's like the PRO cars that run the same stuf he basically has.
Tory's car is stout for sure but he's got cubes on a setup like Chris who run an LT4 headed 383ci hydraulic LT1. I don't want to compare Tory's setup to Chris's because Chris is running really great if he runs 8.7's in my book and Tory is running really great if he goes 8.40's like the PRO cars that run the same stuf he basically has.
Definitely some good discussions going on in this thread with the superchargers and I do appreciate all of you getting involved here as I'm ignorant on superchargers. The F-1 sounds like it's built for what I'm looking for, but I'm not sure on it's reliability.
Dirk, what's up amigo....? Long time no hablo. Hope the ride is coming together the way you want it.
I'm very interested in fuel sytems and how you have your ruel rails set up for those of you running superchargers. If you have any pictures, diagrams, etc....please either post them or email them to me at: webmaster@f-bodyhideout.com
Dirk, what's up amigo....? Long time no hablo. Hope the ride is coming together the way you want it.
I'm very interested in fuel sytems and how you have your ruel rails set up for those of you running superchargers. If you have any pictures, diagrams, etc....please either post them or email them to me at: webmaster@f-bodyhideout.com
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John,there are no cars in PRO setup like Tory's,that car isnt legal for Xtreme Street.
Also NMRA Drag Radial MPH is a F1R Car,and Mike Freedman ran over renegade with a ATI blower for a long time.
Any pointers on what we need to do to make Tory's car run 8.40's? you dyno'd 15 more rwhp then we did,and bottom line is about hp and et.
Mark,it's starting to come around,i had to abandon my personal boost quest for the time being,lloks like n/a or n20 again.
Also NMRA Drag Radial MPH is a F1R Car,and Mike Freedman ran over renegade with a ATI blower for a long time.
Any pointers on what we need to do to make Tory's car run 8.40's? you dyno'd 15 more rwhp then we did,and bottom line is about hp and et.
Mark,it's starting to come around,i had to abandon my personal boost quest for the time being,lloks like n/a or n20 again.