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Can you run water injection instead of an inter/after cooler???

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Old Jul 26, 2003 | 07:46 PM
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Can you run water injection instead of an inter/after cooler???

I have been pondering the idea of an SMC water/alky injection kit. Would I also need an intercooler or will that cover my cooling needs? Please give me the scoop on alky injection because I know almost nothing about it.
Old Jul 26, 2003 | 10:07 PM
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It works good, but I wouldn't call it a substitute for an intercooler. After all you have to refill it sooner or later. So if you looking for a permanent fix go intercooler. If your looking for somethin to use at the track or the occasional street run in with a muffstank(or turbo buick ) it would work great for you. Or you can do both amd then have a little more for those dam muffstanks! I only know of one lt1(turbod ) running an intercooled and alky set up. He gets an extra 3 psi(about 35hp on his car) when he needs it with the alky.

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Old Jul 27, 2003 | 08:34 PM
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Originally posted by boosted3.8
It works good, but I wouldn't call it a substitute for an intercooler. After all you have to refill it sooner or later. So if you looking for a permanent fix go intercooler. If your looking for somethin to use at the track or the occasional street run in with a muffstank(or turbo buick ) it would work great for you. Or you can do both amd then have a little more for those dam muffstanks! I only know of one lt1(turbod ) running an intercooled and alky set up. He gets an extra 3 psi(about 35hp on his car) when he needs it with the alky.
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Old Jul 27, 2003 | 10:07 PM
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Rich K seemed to be doing fairly well with an just an alky kit, no intercooler. I'm sure he'd recommend a kit from Kennedy's Dyno Tune .

If you got the cash... Carroll Supercharging has some awesome kits.
Old Jul 27, 2003 | 11:02 PM
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No intercooler on mine. Just the H2O/alcohol injection.

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Old Jul 28, 2003 | 04:59 AM
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The carrol kits are really nice but I like the kennedy kit... now I just need the money and it's mine That's the kit you are using rich???
Old Jul 28, 2003 | 08:25 AM
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The carrol kits are really nice but I like the kennedy kit... now I just need the money and it's mine That's the kit you are using rich???
Mine's a Carroll kit. Expensive, but well done. Since then, Kennedy's has started to make them. Kennedy's kit is also very high quality but it is not as complex as Carroll's kit, hence it's less expensive. Still not extremely cheap (~$550 dollars at present). But I have not seen anything less expensive that I would consider using. The quality of the components used is a key element in making a decent kit. Think of it like a fuel pump in a forced induction car. If it fails at the wrong time, you could lose a motor. Just as a for instance, the pump has to be reliable and powerful enough to deliver ~100psi. These pumps cost over $100 when bought in bulk. So if you see a complete kit for $2-300 it either has a crappy pump or else the other parts will be substandard.

So, like TimbrSS said, the two kits to consider are Kennedy's and Carroll's. I wouldn't hesitate to recommend either. Don't bother with any of the others, from what I have seen. If you call Kennedy's, feel free to mention my name. They might remember me at Carroll's, but it has been a while since I talked to them.

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Old Jul 28, 2003 | 09:47 AM
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Mine's a Carroll kit. Expensive, but well done. Since then, Kennedy's has started to make them. Kennedy's kit is also very high quality but it is not as complex as Carroll's kit, hence it's less expensive. Still not extremely cheap (~$550 dollars at present). But I have not seen anything less expensive that I would consider using. The quality of the components used is a key element in making a decent kit. Think of it like a fuel pump in a forced induction car. If it fails at the wrong time, you could lose a motor. Just as a for instance, the pump has to be reliable and powerful enough to deliver ~100psi. These pumps cost over $100 when bought in bulk. So if you see a complete kit for $2-300 it either has a crappy pump or else the other parts will be substandard.

So, like TimbrSS said, the two kits to consider are Kennedy's and Carroll's. I wouldn't hesitate to recommend either. Don't bother with any of the others, from what I have seen. If you call Kennedy's, feel free to mention my name. They might remember me at Carroll's, but it has been a while since I talked to them.

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I dont think smc is any less of a great kitthen the other two listed. Alot of the Turbo Buick guys have used this kit with alot of success. I dont think those are the only two to consider when choosing alky kits especially when smc has had a a good rep over the years. I think all three kits are of great quality.
Old Jul 28, 2003 | 10:54 AM
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I dont think smc is any less of a great kitthen the other two listed. Alot of the Turbo Buick guys have used this kit with alot of success. I dont think those are the only two to consider when choosing alky kits especially when smc has had a a good rep over the years. I think all three kits are of great quality.
I have not seen the SMC kit. But isn't it in the $2-300 range? If so, I'd steer clear for the reasons above. Otherwise, maybe it's ok, but I can't personally vouch for it.

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Old Jul 28, 2003 | 11:51 AM
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I believe the smc kit starts at 400
Old Jul 28, 2003 | 12:14 PM
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It starts at like 300-500 depending on options you want. I have the trunk mount kit with with the hd pump and purge with the dual nozzle opton. Also ther kits have a control that you mount in the car for totall control over the kit.
Old Jul 28, 2003 | 01:11 PM
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Gee. I like my SMC kit. It's never given me a hint of trouble. I bought it for $350 I think.

And I'm running both the FMIC and the SMC with ZERO KR.

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Old Jul 28, 2003 | 04:48 PM
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Sounds like the SMC should also be added to the "consider" list.

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