All things being equal, which is better?
All things being equal, which is better?
Very specific application...
I'll try to describe fully:
1995 LT1, therefore OBD1
rebuilt as:
383, 6" rod, Forged pistons, H-beam rods & good steel crank (specific brands to be decided)
Iron LT1 heads, stock size intake valves, LT4 exhaust valves, oversized if I can find them.
The usual roller valvetrain stuff, plus a hydraulic roller cam.
Intake ports cleaned up & polished, exhaust ports hogged out (without getting nuts) and polished.
Stock LT1 intake, cleaned up and polished. Inside I mean.
Combustion chamber coated with that special space age material that a lot of folks are using these days.
Finally, I'm trying to achieve a 9.1 DCR.
In summary, I'm specifically building a motor for boost.
Now, this is going to be in front of a 4L60-E with synthetic fluid and a nice big oil cooler.
The engine will have synthetic and a big oil cooler too.
If that tranny blows up I MAY put in a 6-speed, so the gearing situation could change.
The rear end is a 3.08
This is in a Caprice, so it's a bit over 4000lbs.
This is not a track car. It's just for fun and I will definitely want to take long trips in it.
I'm unsure how much boost I want to run, but I'm guessing it'll be about 7 or 8 pounds.
So I could legitimately use either turbo(s) or supercharger.
Either way, I'll be running an intercooler and a good fuel system.
I want the car to be tame if I drive it gently and a monster if I get on it.
So what would you all think would better suit that specific situation, a supercharger or a turbocharger?
I'll try to describe fully:
1995 LT1, therefore OBD1
rebuilt as:
383, 6" rod, Forged pistons, H-beam rods & good steel crank (specific brands to be decided)
Iron LT1 heads, stock size intake valves, LT4 exhaust valves, oversized if I can find them.
The usual roller valvetrain stuff, plus a hydraulic roller cam.
Intake ports cleaned up & polished, exhaust ports hogged out (without getting nuts) and polished.
Stock LT1 intake, cleaned up and polished. Inside I mean.
Combustion chamber coated with that special space age material that a lot of folks are using these days.
Finally, I'm trying to achieve a 9.1 DCR.
In summary, I'm specifically building a motor for boost.
Now, this is going to be in front of a 4L60-E with synthetic fluid and a nice big oil cooler.
The engine will have synthetic and a big oil cooler too.
If that tranny blows up I MAY put in a 6-speed, so the gearing situation could change.
The rear end is a 3.08
This is in a Caprice, so it's a bit over 4000lbs.
This is not a track car. It's just for fun and I will definitely want to take long trips in it.
I'm unsure how much boost I want to run, but I'm guessing it'll be about 7 or 8 pounds.
So I could legitimately use either turbo(s) or supercharger.
Either way, I'll be running an intercooler and a good fuel system.
I want the car to be tame if I drive it gently and a monster if I get on it.
So what would you all think would better suit that specific situation, a supercharger or a turbocharger?
Forgive me if I'm mistaken, but a 9.1:1 dynamic CR would equal about a 12:1 (or higher) static CR, right? That's way too high for a forced induction motor.
IDOXLR8 is right about the budget, I would definitely go turbo, considering your application and goals for the car, but a good turbo setup is gonna cost you a serious amount of money. The nice thing about a turbo setup is that under normal load (ie, daily driving, raod trips, etc) , the turbo will not put as much undue stress on the engine as a supercharger will.
On the other hand, your system would have to be totally custom built, which could and probably would involve a lot of down time. At this time, to my knowledge only Turbo Tech and CAS offer turbo kits for the LT1, and as far as I know, neither is tailored to the B-Body, and on a largely modified engine, the Turbo Tech kit is useless anyhow. I don't know how the CAS kits do on modified engines, and I'm not sure there are enough around yet to give a good idea of it.
However you could very easily slap on a supercharger.
What is your budget for the engine?
IDOXLR8 is right about the budget, I would definitely go turbo, considering your application and goals for the car, but a good turbo setup is gonna cost you a serious amount of money. The nice thing about a turbo setup is that under normal load (ie, daily driving, raod trips, etc) , the turbo will not put as much undue stress on the engine as a supercharger will.
On the other hand, your system would have to be totally custom built, which could and probably would involve a lot of down time. At this time, to my knowledge only Turbo Tech and CAS offer turbo kits for the LT1, and as far as I know, neither is tailored to the B-Body, and on a largely modified engine, the Turbo Tech kit is useless anyhow. I don't know how the CAS kits do on modified engines, and I'm not sure there are enough around yet to give a good idea of it.
However you could very easily slap on a supercharger.
What is your budget for the engine?
I would go with the turbos simply because more power and better mpg. I feel your 9:1 cr is fie with the boost level your planing on using especialy with the intercooler. The higher compresion will increase torque and therfore decrease turbo lag. but if you plan on having a 2 stage boost system i would try to put in some thicker head gaskets to get i down a point or two. That trans should handle that hp ,
Originally posted by EricTheBald
Very specific application...
I'll try to describe fully:
1995 LT1, therefore OBD1
rebuilt as:
383, 6" rod, Forged pistons, H-beam rods & good steel crank (specific brands to be decided)
Iron LT1 heads, stock size intake valves, LT4 exhaust valves, oversized if I can find them.
The usual roller valvetrain stuff, plus a hydraulic roller cam.
Intake ports cleaned up & polished, exhaust ports hogged out (without getting nuts) and polished.
Stock LT1 intake, cleaned up and polished. Inside I mean.
Combustion chamber coated with that special space age material that a lot of folks are using these days.
Finally, I'm trying to achieve a 9.1 DCR.
In summary, I'm specifically building a motor for boost.
Now, this is going to be in front of a 4L60-E with synthetic fluid and a nice big oil cooler.
The engine will have synthetic and a big oil cooler too.
If that tranny blows up I MAY put in a 6-speed, so the gearing situation could change.
The rear end is a 3.08
This is in a Caprice, so it's a bit over 4000lbs.
This is not a track car. It's just for fun and I will definitely want to take long trips in it.
I'm unsure how much boost I want to run, but I'm guessing it'll be about 7 or 8 pounds.
So I could legitimately use either turbo(s) or supercharger.
Either way, I'll be running an intercooler and a good fuel system.
I want the car to be tame if I drive it gently and a monster if I get on it.
So what would you all think would better suit that specific situation, a supercharger or a turbocharger?
Very specific application...
I'll try to describe fully:
1995 LT1, therefore OBD1
rebuilt as:
383, 6" rod, Forged pistons, H-beam rods & good steel crank (specific brands to be decided)
Iron LT1 heads, stock size intake valves, LT4 exhaust valves, oversized if I can find them.
The usual roller valvetrain stuff, plus a hydraulic roller cam.
Intake ports cleaned up & polished, exhaust ports hogged out (without getting nuts) and polished.
Stock LT1 intake, cleaned up and polished. Inside I mean.
Combustion chamber coated with that special space age material that a lot of folks are using these days.
Finally, I'm trying to achieve a 9.1 DCR.
In summary, I'm specifically building a motor for boost.
Now, this is going to be in front of a 4L60-E with synthetic fluid and a nice big oil cooler.
The engine will have synthetic and a big oil cooler too.
If that tranny blows up I MAY put in a 6-speed, so the gearing situation could change.
The rear end is a 3.08
This is in a Caprice, so it's a bit over 4000lbs.
This is not a track car. It's just for fun and I will definitely want to take long trips in it.
I'm unsure how much boost I want to run, but I'm guessing it'll be about 7 or 8 pounds.
So I could legitimately use either turbo(s) or supercharger.
Either way, I'll be running an intercooler and a good fuel system.
I want the car to be tame if I drive it gently and a monster if I get on it.
So what would you all think would better suit that specific situation, a supercharger or a turbocharger?
Neither, what you need is a positive displacement type blower (like the Eaton, Whipple, or Kenne Bell). These types of blowers make full boost from just off idle, just what you need for a heavy street car.
Just IMHO.
Rich Krause
Just IMHO.
Rich Krause
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