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Old Apr 4, 2008 | 09:58 AM
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ok. it always worked great for me, what is wrong with this though

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I can log it with the DFI.
or what steve said, using the a/c input
Old Apr 4, 2008 | 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by dangalla
ok. it always worked great for me, what is wrong with this though



or what steve said, using the a/c input
the DFI has a map...you put in the desired AFR and leave it alone......

If I did want to log it has the rpm etc in it...its just a real user friendly program. Plus I don't want a ricer gauge in my car
Old Apr 4, 2008 | 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by mdacton
the DFI has a map...you put in the desired AFR and leave it alone......

If I did want to log it has the rpm etc in it...its just a real user friendly program. Plus I don't want a ricer gauge in my car
my maf-t-pro had a map as well, AFR tracking or something and i used this gauge with it and it worked great. sorry it was not what you wanted. if i had the money right now i would buy it off of you
Old Apr 4, 2008 | 10:55 AM
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They all say "not for leaded fuel"..... "leaded fuel will shorten life". AEM is using the sam Bosch sensor as everyone else. This is not an issue.

Is this the unit you bought:

Gauge-Type Wideband UEGO Controller FAQs...

A wideband UEGO sensor controller accurately monitors Air/Fuel ratios (AFR) during the tuning process to prevent a lean fuel mixture, which could lead to engine damage. AEM has combined its single-channel wideband UEGO controller and gauge display into one unit, uniting unsurpassed AFR accuracy and control with an easy-to-read interface. AEM’s Gauge-Type Wideband UEGO Controller features a digital LED display and sweeping LED “needle” that changes colors as AFR changes from rich to lean. The unit’s 52mm (2-1/16”) gauge housing fits in most gauge pods and can be remotely mounted virtually anywhere.

Ideal AFR monitoring tool for EFI and carbureted applications, and engine dynamometers
Does not oscillate AFR reading like narrow band sensors
No laptop required for monitoring!
Bosch sensor included
Accurate to 0.1 AFR
Reads in AFR or Lambda via a switch in back of gauge housing
24 Color-coded LED display lights provide immediate reference to engine’s air/fuel ratio (AFR) or Lambda ratio
Integrated three-digit display reveals AFR or Lambda in real time
User-programmable 0-5v analog output included for use with data loggers and virtually any engine management system
Serial data stream included for output of AFR (RS 232)
Sure look like a 0-5V signal you could send to your DFI. Every writeup I looked at indicates it produces a signal for data logging.

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Old Apr 4, 2008 | 11:07 AM
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Sure look like a 0-5V signal you could send to your DFI. Every writeup I looked at indicates it produces a signal for data logging.

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Thats the one fred......yes it does have the signal to datalog but I was looking for more of a stand along type deal. And I don't know how to hook it to the DFI without the converter box.
Old Apr 5, 2008 | 11:32 PM
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Hooking up my DJ WB commander as well this weekend. I assume you just ordered a black 2 1/16" bezel?

why's that? I've tapped the tach line in the passenger side kick panel for my shift light and WBC... why the need for an adapter?

BTW, In addition to the output controlling a Nitrous hit, and the WBC doing internal data logging (for USB offloading later), I'm hooking up the 0-5v analog output to a switch for the AC Pressure input to the PCM for Autotap logging (figured I'd try a few projects at once).

Now if I can just find a way to feed my brake pressure sensor (via a hurst line loc solenoid port) and fuel pressure senders to the OEM PCM... (a 4 way switch on the AC Pressure line would work, but I'd like to log more than 1 at a time with AutoTap).
I sent the guage to Autometer and had them install the black bezel. I had to buy an MSD tach adapter because the tach signal on my car would not work after I got above about 4000 rpm. Could be the difference in year models. Mine is a 97 OBD 2.

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Old Apr 7, 2008 | 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by 97WS6Pilot
I sent the guage to Autometer and had them install the black bezel. I had to buy an MSD tach adapter because the tach signal on my car would not work after I got above about 4000 rpm. Could be the difference in year models. Mine is a 97 OBD 2.
Nuts... I'm a 97 OBDII as well.

I tapped into the white tach line in the passenger kick panel (same place I tapped for my shift light as well... one clean crimp/solder/heatshrink joint ).

I'm hoping that tapping the tach line going FROM the pcm to the gauges would avoid messing with the signal the PCM uses as an input... we'll see (I'm gonna do some logging tomorrow to check I hooked it up right ).
Old Apr 7, 2008 | 01:12 PM
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Nuts... I'm a 97 OBDII as well.

I tapped into the white tach line in the passenger kick panel (same place I tapped for my shift light as well... one clean crimp/solder/heatshrink joint ).

I'm hoping that tapping the tach line going FROM the pcm to the gauges would avoid messing with the signal the PCM uses as an input... we'll see (I'm gonna do some logging tomorrow to check I hooked it up right ).
Yep that is the line I tapped into. I tried the tach output from my MSD BTM. I also tried tapping into one of the injector wires. Every source I tried still required the MSD tach adaptor to work above 4000rpm. Its about $50 dollars on summit. I love the programmable light on the guage. It can be used for lean condition and rpm and a mixture of the two. I put two bungs in the exhaust so I could easily move the sensor from one bank to the other. Now that I know both banks run within .2 AFR of each other I just leave it in the left bank of the exhaust. I can log AFR, RPM, MAP, and Throttle Position all on the same graph so it makes tuning a breeze.

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Old Apr 7, 2008 | 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by 97WS6Pilot
Yep that is the line I tapped into. I tried the tach output from my MSD BTM.
Ahhh... I don't use an MSD... just the PCM, a AC Delco Opti (MSD Pro Billet wouldn't rev past 5000 rpms :/) and a MSD coil. I have a LTCC ready to install as well, but I want to get everything tuned up right before I add that to the mix. I think I recall someone saying something about their shiftlight having the same issue with an MSD box and the tach line, but they used the same fix.


I love the programmable light on the guage. It can be used for lean condition and rpm and a mixture of the two.
Yeah, I've been playing with the software/demos and really like that feature... I even considered putting a relay inline to the bulb and using it to power a buzzer/dinger for an audible signal.

I was considering using it as a "lugging" alarm. I can scanning for MAP/RPM combos that cause knock and use those parameters to trigger the "downshift" light... maybe even put the "skip shift" light in the relay loop as well (it doesn't do anything else now). With a large cam in 6th gear, lugging at under 2000 rpms is bad for knock.. but I still may be able to get it out.

I put two bungs in the exhaust so I could easily move the sensor from one bank to the other. Now that I know both banks run within .2 AFR of each other I just leave it in the left bank of the exhaust. I can log AFR, RPM, MAP, and Throttle Position all on the same graph so it makes tuning a breeze.
Very cool idea. I welded the bung a few inches in front of the CAT, right after the y-pipe collector. I have an extra Bank 1 bung available (from relocating the O2 sensor bung from where AS&M put it... it barely fits with a Canton pan) but I could weld another bung into Bank 2 if I can't get the bank split worked out.
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