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Old Jun 22, 2003 | 06:25 PM
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How does PCM read speed?

I recently did the TH400 swap (I had an M6). Initially, the speedo read double the actual road speed. Simply changing the tranny type to "auto" corrected this, the speedo is now dead on. But when I datalog with LT1_Edit, it is still showing double actual road speed. WTF is that about? I thought that the PCM drove the speedo?

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Old Jun 22, 2003 | 07:09 PM
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You should do the correction with Tunercat, it always worked fine for me. Lt1_edit doesn't seem to allow change of as many road speed variables as Tunercat does...
If you want, you could send me your file and give me your gear/tire size info and I can modify it for you.
Old Jun 22, 2003 | 07:42 PM
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Originally posted by madwolf
You should do the correction with Tunercat, it always worked fine for me. Lt1_edit doesn't seem to allow change of as many road speed variables as Tunercat does...
If you want, you could send me your file and give me your gear/tire size info and I can modify it for you.
I will do that but I don't have it at home (it's at the shop) so will retrieve it tomorrow.

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Old Jun 23, 2003 | 09:42 AM
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It seems sometimes LT1 edit is funny when changing gears and stuff on that screen. Seems like if the speedo is working correctly then the PCM would be right also. I bet if you started with an A4 program it would work correctly. I've got an A4 file if you want that has the electronic tranny coded deleted if you are interested. You would have to copy all your tables over to it.
Old Jun 23, 2003 | 10:31 AM
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It was probably reading 2.35 X actual speed, because of the difference in the number of teeth on the A4 reluctor wheel vs. the M6 (40/17 = 2.35). I ignored the problem.... disconnected VSS. Keeps the odometer mileage down . But then I don't use the stock PCM for anything but tunring on the fuel pump and managing the IAC.

I think you need to do a complete reflash with an A4 program. Then defeat all the A4 tranny related DTC's.
Old Jun 23, 2003 | 11:01 AM
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Originally posted by 94 NO TOP Z
It seems sometimes LT1 edit is funny when changing gears and stuff on that screen. Seems like if the speedo is working correctly then the PCM would be right also. I bet if you started with an A4 program it would work correctly. I've got an A4 file if you want that has the electronic tranny coded deleted if you are interested. You would have to copy all your tables over to it.
I would appreciate the file!

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Old Jun 23, 2003 | 11:04 AM
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Originally posted by Injuneer
It was probably reading 2.35 X actual speed, because of the difference in the number of teeth on the A4 reluctor wheel vs. the M6 (40/17 = 2.35). I ignored the problem.... disconnected VSS. Keeps the odometer mileage down . But then I don't use the stock PCM for anything but tunring on the fuel pump and managing the IAC.

I think you need to do a complete reflash with an A4 program. Then defeat all the A4 tranny related DTC's.
Do you drive yours on the street? Having a speedo is kind of a necessity, or am I being a wuss?

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Old Jun 23, 2003 | 11:06 AM
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Originally posted by Injuneer
It was probably reading 2.35 X actual speed, because of the difference in the number of teeth on the A4 reluctor wheel vs. the M6 (40/17 = 2.35). I ignored the problem.... disconnected VSS. Keeps the odometer mileage down . But then I don't use the stock PCM for anything but tunring on the fuel pump and managing the IAC.

I think you need to do a complete reflash with an A4 program. Then defeat all the A4 tranny related DTC's.
Even like that, he'd still have to do it with Tunercat since lt1_edit has what... 1 code for a4? There's plenty of other ones to get rid of. I still think correcting the speedo in Tunercat would be easiest.
Old Jun 25, 2003 | 12:33 PM
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Who needs a speedo when you have a cage and a 5point harness?
Old Aug 23, 2003 | 09:48 PM
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Well i am having the same problem. 700R4 in an M6 car. installed 40 tooth reluctor on and it reads 2.35 * the speed. I have and M6 and a A4 computer from 94 f-bods. As well as LT1 edit for both of them along with the A4 file with the tranny stuff deleted(from brents site). Now I can open the file in LT1 edit and change all my values, but it wont let me save it cause the vin dont match. How do I do this? Thanks.
Old Aug 23, 2003 | 09:50 PM
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You have to upload it in the PCM first, then download it and then you'll be able to edit it.
Old Aug 23, 2003 | 10:01 PM
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Ok thanks. but will pcmprog let me upload it with the current vin stored in the file even though it dont match the ones that i am licensed too? Or will I have to do a Vinedit on the file first? Thanks for the fast reply!
Old Aug 23, 2003 | 10:02 PM
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Vinedit won't help, but yes, pcmprog will allow you to upload it even if the VIN doesn't match.
Old Aug 23, 2003 | 10:03 PM
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thank you very much!
Old Aug 23, 2003 | 11:35 PM
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The files I recieved from 94 NO TOP Z and Madwolf both worked fine! Wierd that the speedo and the PCM would read different spees though. Damned if I could figure that out.

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