These are my thoughts EXACTLY!!!

BEAUTIFUL POST!

 

How does someone with a middle management position get all the power to decide what a car is called? Especially the right to use the Camaro name? Wouldnt that decision be more up to the likes of Lutz or someone high up like him?

 

Can we have a poll about PaperTarget's hidden agenda, or not, to bash Camaro? As I recall, Chris and a couple of others out here believe that I'm a Chevy basher just because I find a few faults with them Take it with a grain of salt Z284ever.

 

What do you think? Bob Lutz makes all the decisions for 325,000 employees.

 

I'm not voting on this one...

Most of us are concerned over the apparent course GM has/will take Camaro... Zeta, Beta, Sigma or whatever. He just feels Zeta is taking it in the wrong direction. I don't know enough about Zeta or the next gen Camaro to have an opinion one way or the other... only what I want in a 5th gen Camaro.

That's a little bit strong of a statement. Maybe he knows more about Zeta that the rest of us. Maybe he has legitimate concerns. Again, I can't make an opinion one way or the other based on something I know very little about. If however, he only knows as much about Zeta as the majority of the people on this board, then I'd say you're dead on.

Until we know more about Zeta, we really can't say much.

 

Hardly
However, what I do think is that something with this much potential, and with this much History is not left up to a middle managment person.

 

Guys, the poll was tongue-in-cheek. PLease don't take yourselves too seriously, it will make life less fun.

Z, when you say "MUCH bigger", how much is "MUCH bigger"?

How about an example? Bigger than 200" long? On what do you base this assumption?

 

No, not that big. Won't tell you exactly.....but think full sized Toyota sedan.

 

Z, I apologize for my "tactics". Obviously over the top and I can see you're a little hurt. I reckon I would be too, so I'm sorry, and if I were geographically capable I'd buy you a beer. FWIW I still think you have Camaro's best interests in mind, you are a passionate advocate for what you believe in, which is one of the highest compliments I give anyone.

Back to the subject at hand. Clearly you can't say exactly because you have privileged info, but like I said my Trans am is 196 inches long.

Too long? Well, I like the 98+ birds better simply because they chopped 3 inches off the nose.

Full size Toyota Avalon is 191.9" long. So if you are telling me 192 inches long with a 113" wheelbase, that, slightly smaller than the 4th gen with much better proportions. That would be 41.1% overhang-to-length ratio vs. 48.4% for my car. That's a huge improvement. That length would also suggest a Camaro that owes more genetically to the later cars than the 1st gen.

Like I said, if it can be in the ballpark in length, ballpark in weight and look right, I don't have a problem with it. no car they make is going to be perfect, and if they built your ultimate Camaro I'm sure there'd be plenty of people complaining about it too.

Obviously you know more about what is going on internally, and you are concerned enough to be "worried", so its safe to say that it looks like at this point the car is going to go on Zeta.

Now, the name is still far from certain, although it looks like they are leaning to Camaro at this point in time. So, can one assume that if the car gets Camaro enough, the name will stick, and if its looking like its not Camaro enough, it will get some other name?

I don't see GM deciding to call it Chevelle then bringing out a Torana based Camaro in 3 years...too much inner-division overlap, it would be stupid and Z's oft-referenced beancounters would have none of it. Its taken as fact here that there will be a Chevy Zeta coupe. Granted I am totally flying by the seat of my pants here, you guys are the insiders, but to me the current scenario would suggest a Zeta Camaro or No Camaro.

 

yea, red

 

I really don't think making a post about another Member was quite called for, jokingly or not. Although, both sides seem to have good views. If a Zeta can be made into a lower cowl, smaller than the 4th Gen car, I don't see the problem. If it can't, wait for the Torana and don't bother bringing out a "kinda Camaro" car for us to only dislike and critisize.

 

No problem Chris.

It's not about me anyway, it's about Camaro....that's why I'm here in the first place.

BTW, my current drink of choice is a Kettle One martini, straight up with a blue cheese olive.

Darth, on the other hand, is on my sh!tlist!

 

I've been here for sometime, no??

Actually, you are one of my favorite people to disagree with... you don't fly off the handle when your views are debated.

 

Here's an important point....and I want everyone to consider this:

The Torana's architecture has alot of support at GM. And I mean support all the way to the top. And it hasn't escaped some, that this could form the basis of a great Chevy "ponycar". Forged aluminum, double wishbone control arms all around, coil over shocks/springs, rigid hydroformed rails, tidy exterior dimensions combined with roomy interior, top drawer stuff that can be manufactured cost effectively. Basing a Camaro off of this, makes me drool!

The problem right now is cash. GM doesn't have any. But as soon as they get some things out of the way....they will.

If we go off the deleted "list", we can expect the Chevy Zeta coupe in CY2008. 4 years from now. 4 years is a long time. What a pity it would be, if during that time, "Beta" were approved (and if alot of very important people get their way, it will).....but the Camaro name had gone to a large sedan based product.

 

Hmm... Zeta Camaro sounds more like Camaro II