You have to be f-ing joking....
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From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada (20 min. down the road from the "Shwa"!)
I checked out one of the 500 (for Canada '08 SRT8 Challengers) that was sitting on the local dealer's floor last week, and to my surprise, the driver's seatback could not be canted forward to allow entry into the rear seat!!
Only the front passenger seat has this capability!
So... if you are going to have 4 people riding in the car (of which 1 has to be sitting behind the driver), that person must enter on the passenger side and then turn him or herself into a pretzel in order to shoehorn themselves into position behind the driver!
The salesman looked at me with a straight face and said, "the original car had that same feature!!"
A friend of mine had a '70 Challenger convertible and I rode in it a few times. That's not something I remember about that car!
Best regardSS,
Elie
Only the front passenger seat has this capability!
So... if you are going to have 4 people riding in the car (of which 1 has to be sitting behind the driver), that person must enter on the passenger side and then turn him or herself into a pretzel in order to shoehorn themselves into position behind the driver!
The salesman looked at me with a straight face and said, "the original car had that same feature!!"
A friend of mine had a '70 Challenger convertible and I rode in it a few times. That's not something I remember about that car!
Best regardSS,
Elie
I checked out one of the 500 (for Canada '08 SRT8 Challengers) that was sitting on the local dealer's floor last week, and to my surprise, the driver's seatback could not be canted forward to allow entry into the rear seat!!
Only the front passenger seat has this capability!
So... if you are going to have 4 people riding in the car (of which 1 has to be sitting behind the driver), that person must enter on the passenger side and then turn him or herself into a pretzel in order to shoehorn themselves into position behind the driver!
The salesman looked at me with a straight face and said, "the original car had that same feature!!"
A friend of mine had a '70 Challenger convertible and I rode in it a few times. That's not something I remember about that car!
Best regardSS,
Elie
Only the front passenger seat has this capability!
So... if you are going to have 4 people riding in the car (of which 1 has to be sitting behind the driver), that person must enter on the passenger side and then turn him or herself into a pretzel in order to shoehorn themselves into position behind the driver!
The salesman looked at me with a straight face and said, "the original car had that same feature!!"
A friend of mine had a '70 Challenger convertible and I rode in it a few times. That's not something I remember about that car!
Best regardSS,
Elie
I went to look at one at a dealer here. same 58K "market value adjustment"
handwritten on the window sticker.
Then it had another deskjet printed out piece of paper that said "tent sale 49,995" in the window so I guess they couldn't unload it for what they wanted.
MSRP on it was 40K.
The next day they moved it to the back and had a V6 there but it was a more reasonable $27,995.
Then the next day what appeared to be the same v6 car had blue stripes down the side. Guess that's the dealer installed racing stripes package.
handwritten on the window sticker.
Then it had another deskjet printed out piece of paper that said "tent sale 49,995" in the window so I guess they couldn't unload it for what they wanted.
MSRP on it was 40K.
The next day they moved it to the back and had a V6 there but it was a more reasonable $27,995.
Then the next day what appeared to be the same v6 car had blue stripes down the side. Guess that's the dealer installed racing stripes package.
Motorweek got the G8 GT down the quarter in 13.4@106mph.
Road & Track got it through the quarter in 13.5@105mph
Car & Driver: 13.8@104
Edmunds got an SRT Challenger through the quarter in 13.2@108mph
Road & Tracks quarter mile time in the Challenger was 13 flat@ 110
Car & Driver: 13.3@108
SRT Challengers are low 13 to 13 second flat runners.
G8 GTs are mid 13s.
Also, the Pontiac G8 GT now starts at $30,675.
The Pontiac G8 will not "smoke" a SRT Challenger (as you put it), and a G8 does not cost "under" $30,000.
To avoid making foolish statements in the future, please check on the facts.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...608_g8_dp2.pdf
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...llenger_dp.pdf
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...cs+page-4.html
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...y_+page-2.html
Road & Track got it through the quarter in 13.5@105mph
Car & Driver: 13.8@104
Edmunds got an SRT Challenger through the quarter in 13.2@108mph
Road & Tracks quarter mile time in the Challenger was 13 flat@ 110
Car & Driver: 13.3@108
SRT Challengers are low 13 to 13 second flat runners.
G8 GTs are mid 13s.
Also, the Pontiac G8 GT now starts at $30,675.
The Pontiac G8 will not "smoke" a SRT Challenger (as you put it), and a G8 does not cost "under" $30,000.
To avoid making foolish statements in the future, please check on the facts.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...608_g8_dp2.pdf
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...llenger_dp.pdf
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...cs+page-4.html
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...y_+page-2.html
Last edited by guionM; Aug 19, 2008 at 10:38 AM.
Motorweek got the G8 GT down the quarter in 13.4@106mph.
Road & Track got it through the quarter in 13.5@105mph
Car & Driver: 13.8@104
Edmunds got an SRT Challenger through the quarter in 13.2@108mph
Road & Tracks quarter mile time in the Challenger was 13 flat@ 110
Car & Driver: 13.3@108
SRT Challengers are low 13 to 13 second flat runners.
G8 GTs are mid 13s.
Also, the Pontiac G8 GT now starts at $30,675.
The Pontiac G8 will not "smoke" a SRT Challenger (as you put it), and a G8 does not cost "under" $30,000.
To avoid making foolish statements in the future, please check on the facts.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...608_g8_dp2.pdf
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...llenger_dp.pdf
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...cs+page-4.html
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...y_+page-2.html
Road & Track got it through the quarter in 13.5@105mph
Car & Driver: 13.8@104
Edmunds got an SRT Challenger through the quarter in 13.2@108mph
Road & Tracks quarter mile time in the Challenger was 13 flat@ 110
Car & Driver: 13.3@108
SRT Challengers are low 13 to 13 second flat runners.
G8 GTs are mid 13s.
Also, the Pontiac G8 GT now starts at $30,675.
The Pontiac G8 will not "smoke" a SRT Challenger (as you put it), and a G8 does not cost "under" $30,000.
To avoid making foolish statements in the future, please check on the facts.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...608_g8_dp2.pdf
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...llenger_dp.pdf
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...cs+page-4.html
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...y_+page-2.html
If you happen to have the official times from the GXP (which won't be out till later this year) or any magazine tests for it, then I'd like to see it.
Being that the 2008 Challenger SRT8 has an automatic and a pretty weak 3.06 rear end and the 2009 has a 6 speed manual and a 3.91, it's not going to be a stationary target.
The GXP will have a 3.70 ratio. GXP's LS3 has 420 horsepower but 405 lbs/ft of torque. The SRT has 425 horsies and 420 in the torque department.
These numbers hardly suggest, hint, or predict any smoking of the SRT by a GXP. It may suggest some other type of smoking being done by someone making that statement, but at best the cars will be pretty close to even but most likely, the SRT is the favored bet to edge out a win between the 2.
Today's August 19th. If you order a G8 GT it's going to be a 2009, as it has been for a a little while now.
The site refers to 2008 models.
Seems we zeroed in on this little item yet, completely missed djn's double backflip in which he 1st stated a "sub-$30,000" G8 GT could "smoke" a SRT Challenger, then backpedaled like mad to say he meant a G8 GXP would smoke a SRT Challenger.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but:
1. Isn't the G8 GXP going to be out during the 2009 model year? And...
2. Isn't the G8 GXP going to cost alot more than $30,000???
The post is like we've focused on cleaning that spec of dust on the table, but ignored the pile on the floor the elephant in the room made.
(I'm simply ribbing you, Plague, not slamming you
)
Being that the 2008 Challenger SRT8 has an automatic and a pretty weak 3.06 rear end and the 2009 has a 6 speed manual and a 3.91, it's not going to be a stationary target.
The GXP will have a 3.70 ratio. GXP's LS3 has 420 horsepower but 405 lbs/ft of torque. The SRT has 425 horsies and 420 in the torque department.
These numbers hardly suggest, hint, or predict any smoking of the SRT by a GXP. It may suggest some other type of smoking being done by someone making that statement, but at best the cars will be pretty close to even but most likely, the SRT is the favored bet to edge out a win between the 2.
The site refers to 2008 models.
Seems we zeroed in on this little item yet, completely missed djn's double backflip in which he 1st stated a "sub-$30,000" G8 GT could "smoke" a SRT Challenger, then backpedaled like mad to say he meant a G8 GXP would smoke a SRT Challenger.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but:
1. Isn't the G8 GXP going to be out during the 2009 model year? And...
2. Isn't the G8 GXP going to cost alot more than $30,000???
The post is like we've focused on cleaning that spec of dust on the table, but ignored the pile on the floor the elephant in the room made.

(I'm simply ribbing you, Plague, not slamming you
)
Last edited by guionM; Aug 19, 2008 at 11:17 AM.
Motorweek got the G8 GT down the quarter in 13.4@106mph.
Road & Track got it through the quarter in 13.5@105mph
Car & Driver: 13.8@104
Edmunds got an SRT Challenger through the quarter in 13.2@108mph
Road & Tracks quarter mile time in the Challenger was 13 flat@ 110
Car & Driver: 13.3@108
SRT Challengers are low 13 to 13 second flat runners.
G8 GTs are mid 13s.
Also, the Pontiac G8 GT now starts at $30,675.
The Pontiac G8 will not "smoke" a SRT Challenger (as you put it), and a G8 does not cost "under" $30,000.
To avoid making foolish statements in the future, please check on the facts.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...608_g8_dp2.pdf
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...llenger_dp.pdf
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...cs+page-4.html
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...y_+page-2.html
Road & Track got it through the quarter in 13.5@105mph
Car & Driver: 13.8@104
Edmunds got an SRT Challenger through the quarter in 13.2@108mph
Road & Tracks quarter mile time in the Challenger was 13 flat@ 110
Car & Driver: 13.3@108
SRT Challengers are low 13 to 13 second flat runners.
G8 GTs are mid 13s.
Also, the Pontiac G8 GT now starts at $30,675.
The Pontiac G8 will not "smoke" a SRT Challenger (as you put it), and a G8 does not cost "under" $30,000.
To avoid making foolish statements in the future, please check on the facts.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...608_g8_dp2.pdf
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...llenger_dp.pdf
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...cs+page-4.html
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...y_+page-2.html
As far as Chrysler hurting themselves by not offering a manual, I think you are basing that on nothing more than your imagination and wishful thinking. In case you have been living in a cave, under a rock, or Afghanistan the past decade, 70% of all 2002 Camaros were automatics and the previous few years were not far off that number.
BS, you can buy the G8 GT all day long for under 30K, 28 & 27K I've seen them on ebay. As for my claim that the G8 GXP will smoke the SRT8, I was right on that one as well 0-60 in 4.8 and standing quarter in 13.1 are the states I've seen. You best read before you throw your mouth in gear. 



