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Old Feb 25, 2007 | 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Chris 96 WS6
LMAO...yeah, right. Most estimates say it takes at least 10 yrs to make your money back. A quick back of the envelope calculation bears that out.

Assume an avg driver 12,000 miles a year. Assume a 30 mpg generic sedan vs a 50mpg hybrid. At a currently generous $2.50/gal for regular, that's $1,000/yr in gas for the guzzler and $600 for the hybrid. That's a net savings of $400 a year. These hybrids are EASILY premiumed $4000 above a non-hybrid model...ergo it will take 10 yrs to just BREAK EVEN, much less start actually saving any money.
While it's true that current hybrids don't make a lot of sense, as Meccadeth points out, the technology will only improve. I don't really like hybrids at all, but plug in hybrids could be a game changer.

I live less than 10 miles from work. If I could just plug it in nightly and have to buy gas a couple of times a year it might be enough to sell me on one. I think a lot of people would buy in at that point.
Old Feb 25, 2007 | 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Meccadeth
The only true realization is that it's a technology in it's infancy in the consumer market. Hybrids can already pay for their premiums in fuel savings if driven correctly (as enthusiasts who know anything about hybrids alreaddy know). What happens when the technology matures? There will be a lot of so-called enthusiasts who think they know what they're talking about eating their words.
Well, it does help at the pump if you get 45 - 55 mpg. But driven correctly? For all practical reasons, the most conservative estimate is still at 6-8 years. That excludes any post-warranty repairs and/or special servicing.

The technology is interesting, but I don't believe in it. Why? It still relies on mechanics of the vehicle, which rely on fossil fuels.
Old Feb 25, 2007 | 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by WERM
If I could just plug it in nightly and have to buy gas a couple of times a year it might be enough to sell me on one. I think a lot of people would buy in at that point.

I don't know much about this, but does anyone have the numbers on how much money one would spend charging the car? Also, what plant is the electricity coming from? Let's hope not a coal plant.

However... if we could make nuclear-powered hybrids
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