View Poll Results: Would you buy a 230 horse S/C Ecotec for about $20K?
Yes. It would be cool, cheap and hotroddable.
16
19.75%
No. I don't care how cool, cheap and hotroddable it is...no 4 bangers.
65
80.25%
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Would you buy a supercharged Ecotec Camaro for $20K?
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Originally posted by Z284ever
Ok, I could live with that...if that could fulfill the previous criteria.
Tell me why, though.
Ok, I could live with that...if that could fulfill the previous criteria.
Tell me why, though.
#2) Power. The base Camaro would start off ahead with a N/A 6 over a N/A 4.
#3) Differentiation. Let a SC'd/Turbo'd Cobalt SS take this market. Be something different.
#4) Torque. All-important. While it's not impossible for a 4-banger to delver decent torque, I'd imagine most V6's would inherantly have more...
(I may think of more but it is early ... I neeed coffee!
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Originally posted by Darth Xed
#1) Image. Camaro's should not have a 4-banger image. It's not what a muscle/pony car is about.
#2) Power. The base Camaro would start off ahead with a N/A 6 over a N/A 4.
#3) Differentiation. Let a SC'd/Turbo'd Cobalt SS take this market. Be something different.
#4) Torque. All-important. While it's not impossible for a 4-banger to delver decent torque, I'd imagine most V6's would inherantly have more...
(I may think of more but it is early ... I neeed coffee! )
#1) Image. Camaro's should not have a 4-banger image. It's not what a muscle/pony car is about.
#2) Power. The base Camaro would start off ahead with a N/A 6 over a N/A 4.
#3) Differentiation. Let a SC'd/Turbo'd Cobalt SS take this market. Be something different.
#4) Torque. All-important. While it's not impossible for a 4-banger to delver decent torque, I'd imagine most V6's would inherantly have more...
(I may think of more but it is early ... I neeed coffee!
)
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Originally posted by Z284ever
I don't disagree. But would a V6 be as easy to insure, purchase and have the aftermarket support of an Ecotec?
I don't disagree. But would a V6 be as easy to insure, purchase and have the aftermarket support of an Ecotec?
A 4-cylinder does not automatically equal lower insurance rates either.
A 4-cylinder Honda Civic is more to ensure than a V6 Buick Century....
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Originally posted by Z284ever
I don't disagree. But would a V6 be as easy to insure, purchase and have the aftermarket support of an Ecotec?
I don't disagree. But would a V6 be as easy to insure, purchase and have the aftermarket support of an Ecotec?
look at all the performance products for the 3.8's and 3.4's found in 4th gen camaros.
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What about sticking the blown 3.8 from a GTP in a Camaro? OBVIOUSLY swap in a transmission instead of the trans axle. That would be pretty cool, I think!
And seriously, if Chevy put a 4cyl in the base Camaro, and a 400hp V8 in the Z and SS, sooooo much respect would be lost, EVEN if the V8's are pushing high numbers. 4cyl's are for ricers and sunflowers...not muscle cars
And seriously, if Chevy put a 4cyl in the base Camaro, and a 400hp V8 in the Z and SS, sooooo much respect would be lost, EVEN if the V8's are pushing high numbers. 4cyl's are for ricers and sunflowers...not muscle cars
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Originally posted by KwikistZ
What about sticking the blown 3.8 from a GTP in a Camaro? OBVIOUSLY swap in a transmission instead of the trans axle. That would be pretty cool, I think!
What about sticking the blown 3.8 from a GTP in a Camaro? OBVIOUSLY swap in a transmission instead of the trans axle. That would be pretty cool, I think!
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Originally posted by Z284ever
Yeah, I think that would pretty cool too......but remember that price point.... T*W*E*N*T*Y G*R*A*N*D
Yeah, I think that would pretty cool too......but remember that price point.... T*W*E*N*T*Y G*R*A*N*D
That is one of the reasons why the suggestion of the factory-warranted, dealer installed S/C or T/C is pretty exciting.
Keep the cost down initally... but have bolt on, warranted power available.
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Originally posted by Darth Xed
Agreed.
That is one of the reasons why the suggestion of the factory-warranted, dealer installed S/C or T/C is pretty exciting.
Keep the cost down initally... but have bolt on, warranted power available.
Agreed.
That is one of the reasons why the suggestion of the factory-warranted, dealer installed S/C or T/C is pretty exciting.
Keep the cost down initally... but have bolt on, warranted power available.
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From: Albany, NY
Originally posted by Darth Xed
#1) Image. Camaro's should not have a 4-banger image. It's not what a muscle/pony car is about.
#2) Power. The base Camaro would start off ahead with a N/A 6 over a N/A 4.
#3) Differentiation. Let a SC'd/Turbo'd Cobalt SS take this market. Be something different.
#4) Torque. All-important. While it's not impossible for a 4-banger to delver decent torque, I'd imagine most V6's would inherantly have more...
(I may think of more but it is early ... I neeed coffee! )
#1) Image. Camaro's should not have a 4-banger image. It's not what a muscle/pony car is about.
#2) Power. The base Camaro would start off ahead with a N/A 6 over a N/A 4.
#3) Differentiation. Let a SC'd/Turbo'd Cobalt SS take this market. Be something different.
#4) Torque. All-important. While it's not impossible for a 4-banger to delver decent torque, I'd imagine most V6's would inherantly have more...
(I may think of more but it is early ... I neeed coffee!
)
S/C I4 is a differnt story, but it must put out more HP and TQ than the avg V6.
Cobalt is FWD and FWD sucks
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Originally posted by Z28x
Nobody ever said anything about a N/A I4, infact I bet 100% of the people here would say that is a bad idea.
S/C I4 is a differnt story, but it must put out more HP and TQ than the avg V6.
Cobalt is FWD and FWD sucks
Nobody ever said anything about a N/A I4, infact I bet 100% of the people here would say that is a bad idea.
S/C I4 is a differnt story, but it must put out more HP and TQ than the avg V6.
Cobalt is FWD and FWD sucks
For a lot of reasons, but primarily to keep down initial cost, potentially lower insurance rates (as opposed to the T/C or S/C already being there from the factory), and offer performance 'mods' to the base car.
If the Ecotech came from the factory already with the S/C, all that would be a moot point...
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Originally posted by Darth Xed
The jist of what I got from Red Planet was that they are seriosuly looking at a factory-warranted, dealer-installed turbo charger or super charger kit for an F5 base Camaro...
For a lot of reasons, but primarily to keep down initial cost, potentially lower insurance rates (as opposed to the T/C or S/C already being there from the factory), and offer performance 'mods' to the base car.
If the Ecotech came from the factory already with the S/C, all that would be a moot point...
The jist of what I got from Red Planet was that they are seriosuly looking at a factory-warranted, dealer-installed turbo charger or super charger kit for an F5 base Camaro...
For a lot of reasons, but primarily to keep down initial cost, potentially lower insurance rates (as opposed to the T/C or S/C already being there from the factory), and offer performance 'mods' to the base car.
If the Ecotech came from the factory already with the S/C, all that would be a moot point...
Camaro should never have a 4 cylinder.
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Originally posted by Darth Xed
The jist of what I got from Red Planet was that they are seriosuly looking at a factory-warranted, dealer-installed turbo charger or super charger kit for an F5 base Camaro...
For a lot of reasons, but primarily to keep down initial cost, potentially lower insurance rates (as opposed to the T/C or S/C already being there from the factory), and offer performance 'mods' to the base car.
If the Ecotech came from the factory already with the S/C, all that would be a moot point...
The jist of what I got from Red Planet was that they are seriosuly looking at a factory-warranted, dealer-installed turbo charger or super charger kit for an F5 base Camaro...
For a lot of reasons, but primarily to keep down initial cost, potentially lower insurance rates (as opposed to the T/C or S/C already being there from the factory), and offer performance 'mods' to the base car.
If the Ecotech came from the factory already with the S/C, all that would be a moot point...
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Originally posted by Z28x
THat is a good point, a S/C I4 wouldn't be any cheaper to insure than a V6
THat is a good point, a S/C I4 wouldn't be any cheaper to insure than a V6
Case in point, when I checked insurance rates for my 16 year-old stepson, the insurance on a 95 V6 Mustang was $1000/ year higher than for a 95 V8 Mustang GT.
It's reverse logic. More inexperienced drivers go for the lesser car thinking insurance will be cheaper. Because of their inexperience they get into more accidents than fewer experienced drivers in the car with more HP. Thusly the rates go up for the lesser vehicle.
