Why isn't anyone talking about Ford's Interceptor Concept?
12-22-2006, 12:31 PM
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12-22-2006, 12:53 PM
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The rest of the car is really good-looking, IMO. But $50k for a V6?
12-22-2006, 03:45 PM
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That's an interesting bit.
It really does kinda surprise me that NOBODY has made a point of recognizing that the Mustang and F150 have both enjoyed the best launches of their history lately. And the choice to stay with a live axle was indeed a part of that equation. Ford's 8.8 has become a rock-crusher alongside the legendary 9" IMO.
BTW Proud, your garage rocks!
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It really does kinda surprise me that NOBODY has made a point of recognizing that the Mustang and F150 have both enjoyed the best launches of their history lately. And the choice to stay with a live axle was indeed a part of that equation. Ford's 8.8 has become a rock-crusher alongside the legendary 9" IMO.
BTW Proud, your garage rocks!
Thanks.
Those photos show almost half of my basement. On the other side of the wall are 2 more King Cobras and a Ranger bassboat with a 150 Mercury Black Max on it. My basement has been christened "ManLand" by the wife. I'm cool with it!
Did you spot my flag?
I'll check back over the weekend to see if they are back up.
12-22-2006, 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by ProudPony
It really does kinda surprise me that NOBODY has made a point of recognizing that the Mustang and F150 have both enjoyed the best launches of their history lately. And the choice to stay with a live axle was indeed a part of that equation. Ford's 8.8 has become a rock-crusher alongside the legendary 9" IMO.
12-22-2006, 04:14 PM
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There is a god, and like beer and grits, this proves he loves us (well at least mustang people)
12-22-2006, 07:41 PM
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12-22-2006, 10:41 PM
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It makes a bold statement, just what Lincoln needs for a concept.
12-23-2006, 05:09 PM
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12-24-2006, 01:09 PM
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As for the IRS deal... IRS was originally coming along with the early work from the DEW platform by default. When it was decided to go D2C and make a unique chassis all to it's own, the IRS was put to question. It was decided that the D2C would possess the CAPABILITY to use IRS, but the live axle was primary concern, and it won the opening battles for 2 main reasons - one of which you guys have hit profusely - cost. The other reason, I am surprised nobody remembers.
Does anybody realize that the brand new Mustang, the one that was a completely new design, new chassis, new sheetmetal, new engine(s), basically new everything, and being built in a new plant by new people - all at the same time - is going into it's 3rd year of production with no recalls!
At the time, Ford was suffering from a slew of poor launches and recalls, and it was deemed imperative that the Mustang come off clean. Going with the live axle was a very calculated move to stay with components that were proven in battle. It worked.
The current D2C is IRS capable as it sits - no problem. I have pictures of the chassis and detailed data from Art Hyde before he left that spells it out - it is IRS capable right now. Connection points and sheetmetal geometry are there for the IRS in the DEW platform. Issue is that the IRS from DEW is not beefy enough to take the pounding, the Blade system from OZ would not mount and was considerably heavier and costlier, and the time (and cost) to redesign a beefier unit for the Mustang was risky - not having enough time to prototype, field test, and refine. SO... they stayed with live axles for cost and reliability. Hau Tai-Tang personally oversaw the refinement in mounting and control of the live axle in the new Mustang, and banked his reputation on it.
The next gen will likely offer IRS as a cost-upgrade option, but the base cars will maintain live axle again.
I would not be surprised to see an IRS offered under a GT350 or Boss 302 either in the next 2 years. <--- Mandatory winky there on that one!
Does anybody realize that the brand new Mustang, the one that was a completely new design, new chassis, new sheetmetal, new engine(s), basically new everything, and being built in a new plant by new people - all at the same time - is going into it's 3rd year of production with no recalls!
At the time, Ford was suffering from a slew of poor launches and recalls, and it was deemed imperative that the Mustang come off clean. Going with the live axle was a very calculated move to stay with components that were proven in battle. It worked.
The current D2C is IRS capable as it sits - no problem. I have pictures of the chassis and detailed data from Art Hyde before he left that spells it out - it is IRS capable right now. Connection points and sheetmetal geometry are there for the IRS in the DEW platform. Issue is that the IRS from DEW is not beefy enough to take the pounding, the Blade system from OZ would not mount and was considerably heavier and costlier, and the time (and cost) to redesign a beefier unit for the Mustang was risky - not having enough time to prototype, field test, and refine. SO... they stayed with live axles for cost and reliability. Hau Tai-Tang personally oversaw the refinement in mounting and control of the live axle in the new Mustang, and banked his reputation on it.
The next gen will likely offer IRS as a cost-upgrade option, but the base cars will maintain live axle again.
I would not be surprised to see an IRS offered under a GT350 or Boss 302 either in the next 2 years.
<--- Mandatory winky there on that one!Like I said, if you go to some of the people at Ford engineering (who have been designing far more IRS systems the past 20 years than live axle systems) saying the Mustang didn't have IRS because they couldn't get the geometry right, they're going to look at you like a complete retard.
Again, if engineering was an issue, it was because of weight and cost constraints.... plus PP's added issue..... ensuring a clean, recall free launch.
12-24-2006, 03:34 PM
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Matches what I've been told.
Like I said, if you go to some of the people at Ford engineering (who have been designing far more IRS systems the past 20 years than live axle systems) saying the Mustang didn't have IRS because they couldn't get the geometry right, they're going to look at you like a complete retard.
Again, if engineering was an issue, it was because of weight and cost constraints.... plus PP's added issue..... ensuring a clean, recall free launch.
Like I said, if you go to some of the people at Ford engineering (who have been designing far more IRS systems the past 20 years than live axle systems) saying the Mustang didn't have IRS because they couldn't get the geometry right, they're going to look at you like a complete retard.
Again, if engineering was an issue, it was because of weight and cost constraints.... plus PP's added issue..... ensuring a clean, recall free launch.
12-25-2006, 01:49 PM
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