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What would be the 5th gen deal breaker?

Old May 7, 2004 | 12:57 PM
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What would be the 5th gen deal breaker?

What specifit would make you say, I'm not buying that!

Ofcourse the obvious: FWD and no V8, but what else?
Old May 7, 2004 | 01:05 PM
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Will have Vette by then.

Thoughts?

Hmmm...

Styling springs to mind. I think GM will have the mechanicals pretty well good to go.

Folks REALLY like T-tops, and Camaro would be the only affordable car with them methinks.

Available manual transmission.

In essence, it needs to be a Camaro...

2+2, big motor, aggressive styling, benchmark performance.
Old May 7, 2004 | 01:17 PM
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I won't buy if it's....

Over priced
Over weight (3500lbs.+)
underpowered (more than 10lbs. per HP)
Ugly
Old May 7, 2004 | 01:44 PM
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I agree with PX, I think the mechanical aspects will be handled....hopefully I won't be disappointed.

But turn-offs for me would be....

Excessively large exterior dimensions.
Poor styling.
Quality that is not "class leading".
Excessive weight.
Lack of knowledge/respect for Camaro's lineage.
Old May 7, 2004 | 02:28 PM
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My turn offs would be:

Blatantly retro styling (which should surprise no one)
I can't afford it (over $30K for a low option Z28)
It's really heavy (over 3400lbs fully loaded)
It becomes a GT cuiser rather than rat racer
For some reason, I just look at it and go, "That does nothing for me."
Old May 7, 2004 | 02:37 PM
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So if the car comes in at 3600 lbs what are you going to buy instead?
Old May 7, 2004 | 03:26 PM
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So if the car comes in at 3600 lbs what are you going to buy instead?
I don't know. I might keep my '98 until the miles get kinda high then reserve it for autosrossing/weekend joyriding. Maybe an RX-8, or Audi TT, 2 year old CTS-V, Mistu EVO or WRX.

Of if i've hit the lottery or get my invention to the market place...an SLR(!)

Now here's the 'askertisk' to the weight issue. If it weighs in at 3600 lbs, but handles like a much lighter car, then weight probably would not be a deal breaker. For comparison's sake, while I haven't driven a GTO yet, I'm under the impression it's isn't as crisp feeling a car as the last generation F-bods.

In general, I want a sports car, not a GT cruiser.

Of course, by 2007/8 I'll be 36 (OMG!) and I might want a truck..



Or maybe even an SUV...



...in which case I'll have to have 'Z284ever' to shoot me.
Old May 7, 2004 | 03:32 PM
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Originally posted by Chris 96 WS6
So if the car comes in at 3600 lbs what are you going to buy instead?
Used C6, what ever mustang is 350HP, Charger

It needs to maintain that magic 10lbs. per HP number.

I'd probably still buy it at 3600lbs. but I wouldn't want any more than that, it would also need 360HP out of the base V8 then at that weight.
Old May 7, 2004 | 05:15 PM
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For me:

1. Price - I'm not expecting a lower-$20k V8 necessarily, but I'd like to be in a V8 for under $30k.

2. Styling - If it's too retro, it may take me awhile to like it, and by that time I might have already gotten something else.
Old May 7, 2004 | 05:19 PM
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This wont prevent a sale... but a monstrous chrome bar on the front end is a huge turnoff.
Old May 7, 2004 | 07:33 PM
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I agree with the above mentioned stuff, too. But one other thing I would like to see is suspension system like the 50th Ann. Vette (magnetic ride) and better brakes. Going ba!!s out is nice, but so is outbraking someone into a corner is nice, too.
Old May 7, 2004 | 09:34 PM
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Taking too long to bring it to market.
In all honesty, I belive that any powertrain GM puts in will be powerful enough blow the doors off an equaly priced mustang.
I want a Z28, which leads me to that I dont want the Z28 to be the top rung becaue then im gunna have to pay out the rear for a Z28, and I dont want that. Give me an LS2, 6spd, 17 inch rims, 4/2 pistion calipers, 13 inch brakes, cloth bucket seats, and in red and keep it as close you can to 26k.
Let the SS boys pay the extra money for scoops, gfx, 20's with spinners...etc etc... I want my stripper Z.
If its retro styled, ill still buy it because the Camaro is just gunna die out again in a few years, so I want to get one before they shut it down again.
Unless they price it up next to the vettle, there really wont be a thing to stop me from getting it as long as its a "Camaro" at heart. 2+2 seater, V8, RWD, 6spd manual, good handling, and nice interior and not fugly.

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Old May 7, 2004 | 10:10 PM
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Originally posted by dream '94 Z28

...in which case I'll have to have 'Z284ever' to shoot me.

I'll be there for ya, Tim.
Old May 7, 2004 | 10:10 PM
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Originally posted by dream '94 Z28

...in which case I'll have to have 'Z284ever' to shoot me.

I'll be there for ya, Tim.
Old May 7, 2004 | 10:10 PM
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1. overly retro, or otherwise bad styling
2. old-school live rear axle/mac struts, ala the 'stang
3. overweight (>3400 lbs, depending on actual size)
4. No manual tranny
5. crap performance/quality control (obviously)
6. overpriced (obviously)
7. an drivetrain package which cannot be modified relatively easily/cheaply, like the S2000 which is just about max tuned from the factory
8. crap gas mileage (has to be said)
9. not available in hugger orange !!!

I know I'm in the distinct minority, but a turbo I-6 or AWD are not turnoffs to me...but to answer the question about what i'd get if the weight was over 3600, I'd get a stang, 350Z, EVO, or something to that effect which can be modded into a street terror...I know options like the charger and new GTO are coming, but I'm more inclined to nimble, lighter, sharp-handling and braking cars rather than larger straightline boulevard cruisers...

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