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Old May 8, 2004 | 09:31 PM
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With the powertrains GM has been having lately Idont think power will be an issue. And from everything Ive read, and seen I think the stylig will be adequate.

The only really limiting factor for me will be price. I worry about it being overpriced.
Old May 8, 2004 | 11:28 PM
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I should have worded it different. I kinda listed things that would break it for me and added in some things that should be done too. (and that might do the same for alot of other people too)
Old May 9, 2004 | 02:42 AM
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I think you may be disappointed Al. It's tough to even get a stripper Aveo anymore. A 5th gen Z/28 will certainly not be a stripper. "Content limited", yes. "Stripper", no.

Ok, not stripper, but I dont want the trinkets and whatever that would come with a top-end model. Just the basics with a few options, thats all. I think Id option XM radio, thats all. I dont need 6 disk stuff, or do I need OnStar tracking my every move. I like OnStar, but maybe for a sedan. I dont want to get an e-speeding ticket.

Just give me what I need to build off of. Build a strong basis for a moddable sports car. the Gen IV blocks are probably stronger then the Gen III's, so thats awesome. Id pay extra for a forged bottom end, but not for leather seats and a 15 speaker, 600 watt stereo.
Old May 9, 2004 | 05:59 AM
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That's basically what we're saying here. Limited content.
Old May 9, 2004 | 10:49 AM
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My deal breaker will be price. If the Z-28 is in the mid $40k range, my wife will never let me get one.
Old May 10, 2004 | 08:53 AM
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Originally posted by Big Als Z
Ok, not stripper, but I dont want the trinkets and whatever that would come with a top-end model. Just the basics with a few options, thats all. I think Id option XM radio, thats all. I dont need 6 disk stuff, or do I need OnStar tracking my every move. I like OnStar, but maybe for a sedan. I dont want to get an e-speeding ticket.

Just give me what I need to build off of. Build a strong basis for a moddable sports car. the Gen IV blocks are probably stronger then the Gen III's, so thats awesome. Id pay extra for a forged bottom end, but not for leather seats and a 15 speaker, 600 watt stereo.
I agree with Al here too. I have the original window sticker for my '98. The only option was the Monsoon stereo. Which I believe was the right option. New the car was $21,800. I really don't miss cruise control that much.

In a sports car I like simplity. No leather, to T-tops, no 'candy' as it used to be said. I'd just like the option of still finding a car like that.
Old May 10, 2004 | 11:21 AM
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What would be a dealbreaker for me?


AUTOMATIC HEADLIGHTS WITHOUT THE ABILITY TO TURN OFF THE FUNCTION (and I don't mean by leaving my brake on either)!!!!!

I WILL NEVER BUY A CAR WITH THIS THING EVER AGAIN!!


That pretty much completely covers it.

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Old May 10, 2004 | 12:07 PM
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Originally posted by guionM
What would be a dealbreaker for me?


AUTOMATIC HEADLIGHTS WITHOUT THE ABILITY TO TURN OFF THE FUNCTION (and I don't mean by leaving my brake on either)!!!!!

I WILL NEVER BUY A CAR WITH THIS THING EVER AGAIN!!


That pretty much completely covers it.
Why's that? I thought it was a really cool feature on my '98, much cooler than I would've thought.
Old May 10, 2004 | 12:09 PM
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Why's that? I thought it was a really cool feature on my '98, much cooler than I would've thought.
My GTP has that, I never even have to turn on the lights. It had daytime running lights, and when it gets dark out, the reg lights come on automitcally. Then wehn I get out of the car, they turn off auto too.
Old May 10, 2004 | 02:33 PM
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Originally posted by Z28x
I won't buy if it's....

Over priced
Over weight (3500lbs.+)
underpowered (more than 10lbs. per HP)
Ugly
i agree totally
Old May 10, 2004 | 02:51 PM
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Originally posted by dream '94 Z28
Why's that? I thought it was a really cool feature on my '98, much cooler than I would've thought.
If you have to frequently go onboard Federal Installations or any guarded facility (where you have to turn off your lights or guards have a cow... or worse), or have your neighbor's bedroom window right in front of your apartment parking space, or even once in a blue moon do some surveillance, indefeateable headlights becomes the most stupid & idiotic invention since pet rocks! I thought daytime running lights were bad. This is worse.

If you like having your lights on when you drive, turn the things on. It's not nearly as difficult as, say, shifting a manual or even tuning a stereo.

If you are going to have "auto lights" standard, at least have a feature where you can switch it to manual. I can switch off my traction control which actually prevents serious accidents, yet I can't even turn off my own lights when I'm in a situation I need to turn them off? Please!

It's logic that if these things turn on if you release the brake, it should turn off if you set the brake. It's also logical that if you install a light switch in the car, it shouldn't be for 'entertainment purposes only'. It also is f*cked up that GM won't let their dealers fix them because it's a "safety feature" (I don't swear here, but that's exactly how I feel regarding those lights). Whoever thought of this should be shot.



No........ I am not kidding.



I've gotten so much grief and heartburn because of mine that I don't care how good the next Camaro is, if it has these damn lights I can't turn off, I'll buy a Mustang.

Mustangs don't have those daytime running lights either!

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Old May 10, 2004 | 03:24 PM
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I've seen it in a couple of nwer (after 2002) Chevy trucks that have a DRL defeat option on the light switchgear.

I appreciate what your saying and agree that the defreat option should be there (I can 'tolerate' the DRLs that are the turnsignals but hate te 60% high beams). I'm not sure, but I think a big reason GM has it isn't so much safety as (I think) the DRLs are a gov't mandate in Canada.
Old May 10, 2004 | 03:39 PM
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LOL

Another vote here for no DRL's at all or making them optional.
Old May 10, 2004 | 03:43 PM
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Heh, I know a good deal breaker, it's not going to be a Firebird .
Agreed. Although it will be interesting to see what the styling of the 5th Gen wil be like. Firebird had better styling (and even a better name). If the next Camaro looks really awesome then maybe I would be persuaded. Put some Pontiac badges and a screaming chicken on it and have the only 5th Gen Firebird...
Old May 10, 2004 | 05:15 PM
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I actually think DRL's can look cool on certain models. I like how they look on the F-bods and Corvette, but that's about it. I'm with you guionM on the auto headlights. I miss doing it myself on the '94. I'm going to consider doing the ol' delete mod this summer....



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