What was the ONLY GM Brand to post sales increase year over year?
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What was the ONLY GM Brand to post sales increase year over year?
There closing it.
Pontiac is the only brand to represent an increase in sales from August '08 to August '09 - and there's no other brand even CLOSE to touching Pontiacs sales performance for the month.
Pontiac sold an increase of 23.3% more cars than August '08.
For the year, Pontiacs sales are the "best of the worst" meaning every brand has double digit losses YTD but Pontiacs losses are "best" coming in at -30.5%. Chevrolet is the next "best" with a -30.9%.
What's GM thinking.
Pontiac is the only brand to represent an increase in sales from August '08 to August '09 - and there's no other brand even CLOSE to touching Pontiacs sales performance for the month.
Pontiac sold an increase of 23.3% more cars than August '08.
For the year, Pontiacs sales are the "best of the worst" meaning every brand has double digit losses YTD but Pontiacs losses are "best" coming in at -30.5%. Chevrolet is the next "best" with a -30.9%.
What's GM thinking.
The local Pontiac dealers sold everything off @ incredibly steep discounts once it was announced Pontiac was no more .
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This is akin to saying the local K-Mart shouldn't be shutting its doors because product is flying off the shelves. Might help to take into account the "Blue Light Specials" as well as the store's performance BEFORE you were practically giving away the product. 
C'mon Josh, we all love Pontiac, but you're better than that. A reputable automotive news source would at least acknowledge that Pontiac wasn't exactly setting the world on fire in August 2008. BMW outsold them that month(!)
C'mon Josh, we all love Pontiac, but you're better than that. A reputable automotive news source would at least acknowledge that Pontiac wasn't exactly setting the world on fire in August 2008. BMW outsold them that month(!)
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The Chevrolet dealership network is by and large bigger than Pontiacs.
Chevrolet sells more cars than Pontiac does.
Chevrolet is supposed to be *THE* GM brand - which they are in my opinion.
My point was a closing brand, which was GM's 3rd best selling brand last year (and the year before...and before..and...well you get the picture) is out performing the so called "core" brands that GM decided to stick with.
That's all. I realize the sold the farm to pay for the grass seed, but in the same sense this means buyers still care about Pontiac. You don't see Saturn, HUMMER or Saab with these numbers do you?
Chevrolet sells more cars than Pontiac does.
Chevrolet is supposed to be *THE* GM brand - which they are in my opinion.
My point was a closing brand, which was GM's 3rd best selling brand last year (and the year before...and before..and...well you get the picture) is out performing the so called "core" brands that GM decided to stick with.
That's all. I realize the sold the farm to pay for the grass seed, but in the same sense this means buyers still care about Pontiac. You don't see Saturn, HUMMER or Saab with these numbers do you?
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G3 Wave 2,563 0 ***
G5 2,467 2,644 -6.7
G6 13,133 10,437 25.8
G8 1,521 1,915 -20.6
Solstice 578 917 -37.0
Vibe 8,640 6,243 38.4
Pontiac Total 28,907 22,530 28.3
G3 is a brand new vehicle and accounted for 9% of Pontiac's total...
Vibe was being made for FLEET only sales
G5 didn't even comp last year...despite C4C
G6 has always been a Fleet queen
Solstice has been lagging all year
G8 the last true Pontiac is running out of inventory....
G5 2,467 2,644 -6.7
G6 13,133 10,437 25.8
G8 1,521 1,915 -20.6
Solstice 578 917 -37.0
Vibe 8,640 6,243 38.4
Pontiac Total 28,907 22,530 28.3
G3 is a brand new vehicle and accounted for 9% of Pontiac's total...
Vibe was being made for FLEET only sales
G5 didn't even comp last year...despite C4C
G6 has always been a Fleet queen
Solstice has been lagging all year
G8 the last true Pontiac is running out of inventory....
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The Chevrolet dealership network is by and large bigger than Pontiacs.
Chevrolet sells more cars than Pontiac does.
Chevrolet is supposed to be *THE* GM brand - which they are in my opinion.
My point was a closing brand, which was GM's 3rd best selling brand last year (and the year before...and before..and...well you get the picture) is out performing the so called "core" brands that GM decided to stick with.
That's all. I realize the sold the farm to pay for the grass seed, but in the same sense this means buyers still care about Pontiac. You don't see Saturn, HUMMER or Saab with these numbers do you?
Chevrolet sells more cars than Pontiac does.
Chevrolet is supposed to be *THE* GM brand - which they are in my opinion.
My point was a closing brand, which was GM's 3rd best selling brand last year (and the year before...and before..and...well you get the picture) is out performing the so called "core" brands that GM decided to stick with.
That's all. I realize the sold the farm to pay for the grass seed, but in the same sense this means buyers still care about Pontiac. You don't see Saturn, HUMMER or Saab with these numbers do you?
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The Chevrolet dealership network is by and large bigger than Pontiacs.
Chevrolet sells more cars than Pontiac does.
Chevrolet is supposed to be *THE* GM brand - which they are in my opinion.
My point was a closing brand, which was GM's 3rd best selling brand last year (and the year before...and before..and...well you get the picture) is out performing the so called "core" brands that GM decided to stick with.
That's all. I realize the sold the farm to pay for the grass seed, but in the same sense this means buyers still care about Pontiac. You don't see Saturn, HUMMER or Saab with these numbers do you?
Chevrolet sells more cars than Pontiac does.
Chevrolet is supposed to be *THE* GM brand - which they are in my opinion.
My point was a closing brand, which was GM's 3rd best selling brand last year (and the year before...and before..and...well you get the picture) is out performing the so called "core" brands that GM decided to stick with.
That's all. I realize the sold the farm to pay for the grass seed, but in the same sense this means buyers still care about Pontiac. You don't see Saturn, HUMMER or Saab with these numbers do you?
Let me give you a clue..YOU LOSE MONEY SELLING RENTAL FLEET CARS!!
I think someone actually posted the private sales of Pontiac without the fleet cars and Buick did better..so your thinking is out the window..Thats how much fleet volume Pontiac did and again that loses money for a company..
on top of that Pontiac dealers are having a fire sale and the people that want a pontiac are buying them up..
your argument has been done and over with for a while now...its not like they flipped a coin and took Buick over Pontiac..if the #3 spot was something good they would of kept it..they did not there is a reason...and that reason has been said in this topic and many others..again just stop..
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your argument has been done and over with for a while now...its not like they flipped a coin and took Buick over Pontiac..if the #3 spot was something good they would of kept it..they did not there is a reason...and that reason has been said in this topic and many others..again just stop..
The reason Buick stayed and not Pontiac is because Pontiac is a North American brand. The ONLY reason we have Buick here today is because of China.
No ifs, ands, or buts about it. Buick is not a better brand than Pontiac is. Buick was saved by the Chinese, much like Hummer is going to be.
Go ahead - argue me on that one.
Oh and your argument that Pontiac is "fleet sales?" GM ditched fleet sales by 29% for August....and Pontiac still did better then the rest. You have a pretty good, solid argument.
And one more - the last two "true" Pontiacs that were developed were the Solstice and the G8. The G8 was BY AND LARGE retail sales with very very very minimal fleet sales. The Solstice pretty much all retail. The brand had a direction. I'm not blaming GM for killing Pontiac - I'm blaming the dealers and GM for killing Pontiac.
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What defines better? If profitable sales does.. yea Buick is better than Pontiac.
If you had to stake your families financial future on Pontiac or Buick.. which would you pick..
I know darn well I'd pick Buick.. 1 billion and counting possible consumers versus the us population drowned in debt..
If you had to stake your families financial future on Pontiac or Buick.. which would you pick..
I know darn well I'd pick Buick.. 1 billion and counting possible consumers versus the us population drowned in debt..
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And one more - the last two "true" Pontiacs that were developed were the Solstice and the G8. The G8 was BY AND LARGE retail sales with very very very minimal fleet sales. The Solstice pretty much all retail. The brand had a direction. I'm not blaming GM for killing Pontiac - I'm blaming the dealers and GM for killing Pontiac.
