Best post of the thread.

At least someone gets it.

 

So here's the thing. When we went looking for something to spend GM card and CARS $$ on, we bought a G5. Why not a Cobalt? The G5 was cheaper. Why? Much larger rebate. If the rebate had been the same, the Cobalt would have been cheaper, and we probably would have bought that.

GM's thinking they want to clear out the Pontiacs at fire-sale prices, so they can move on. That's what they're thinking.

 

More like the dealers are giving them away so they dont get stuck with them at the final hour.

 

The big rebates come from GM. The dealers weren't doing anything special on pricing in my area.

 

It's the current batch of products that killed Pontiac. They took all the volume cars that sold well 6-7 and either did not replace them, or replaced them with cars that sold less, and had new names. If Pontiac had better product..it would not be dead. Buick is here because GM had product ready to go for China..and it costs nothing to bring that here. Pontiac had awesome niche vehicles, but it's bread and butter was gutted. I am as big a fan of Pontaiac as it is. Honestly, it really has not set in yet that I will not be able to go buy a new Pontiac anymore.

However...IMO..if you mad at Pontiac going away, you should let robert.lutz@gm.com know what you think. He has been the product guy now since 2002, so the responsibility for most of the production in Pontiac showrooms rests with him..along with the idea to change the names.

 

btw I notice people were talking about pontiac not having a small fuel efficient car, like the G5, what about the Vibe?


I think the name change thing hurt ALOT with Pontiac... crap just with 1 car... The G6. There was NEVER any advertising, most non-car people have no clue who makes it. Just since owning it, people will get closer and go, "owe thats a pontiac" While the same person in a heartbeat knows what a Grand Am is...


I know the purpose to go to number designations, but seems like it was halfassed done and should have thrown in more advertising to help it out with such a large change. Yes the oprah thing helped but that was about it. People just thought the grand am stopped getting made.



Only time I ever saw it advertised was at Rolex 24, and the Oprah thing...

 

I agree totally that the name should have stayed Grand Am, but the G6 was launched with a $50 Million ad campaign of which the Oprah giveaway was only a small part. There were 4 separate launch commercials plus new commercials when the coupe and convertible launched. There have been several print ad campaigns.

If anything, I think that's a testament to how anonymous it is. If it had stayed Grand Am, I bet it would have been more memorable and people would have known it was a Pontiac.

"Wow, that new Grand Am is really refined, I'll have to go check one out."

Vs. "The First Ever G6, what the heck does that mean?."

 

Apparently the "First Ever G6" is also the last ever G6.

 

I agree with both of you guys

 

 

It also would have helped if the G6 had been even close to concept - it was not.

 

And do you know what happened when I raised a huge stink about it? Lutz told me that the G6 needed a new interior two years to the DATE that the G6 came out. Did it happen?

NOPE.


The changes to the Pontiac G6 for the limited 2010 MY run makes the car on the outside look WORLDS better. Today I was riding behind one and thought "wow that rear looks good..." then I got along side of it and no more "rub strips" or whatever they are called now along the doors. It was clean and had a new front end.

The car looked great.

As for those that say Pontiac isn't profitable let me ask you this and don't go by what you "read" but by what you know like I do.

How can the #3 brand behind Chevrolet and GMC -NOT- be profitable? Fleet sales or not. I'd love to hear how you KNOW Pontiac isn't or wasn't profitable.......

 

Personally, I'd love to hear how you know it is. Obviously something is wrong with Pontiac or GM would be saving it instead of killing it off. The most likely reason would be because it isn't profitable.

Other than listening to you puff up your ego about how great you are, do you ever post anything of value to this messageboard? Because I never see anything.

 

Maybe you should follow a bit more closely.

I've said things would happen here 2 years before they've happened. But - don't take my word for it, go ahead and search what I've posted throughout the years.

As for how I know what I know. There's a little thing called a FOIA...a Freedom of Information Act. GM went through court and is now owned by me and you.

Figure it out.

 

Since GM says they were losing money on it, I think the burden is on you to show that they are profitable, counter to what GM is saying.

All I know is that the rebate on Pontiacs is much bigger than the rebate on Chevys.