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What 5th gen camaro will = the GTO?

Old May 11, 2004 | 12:14 AM
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Furthermore, there wasn't much difference between the SS and Z-28 in the 4th generation other than stripes, a hood scoop and the cool sounding exhaust. Internally the drivetrains were identical. Hense, the 4th gen SS's can really only be considered a "trim" package on top of the "base" Z-28. (Yes, actually the early 4th gen "SS"'s were even sold as such.)

Actually, the 4th gen SS came by it's name quite by accident. Based on several insider accounts, this is how it went.

After SLP developed the Ram Air hood for the Firebird, it was decided that SLP should develop a "cold air" hood for Camaro. SLP wanted to wrap this into a package for the Z/28. It was originally envisioned to be strictly an optional package for the Z/28. SLP proposed calling it the Z28SS, and that's what the package was called the first two years. Chevrolet felt uncomfortable with combining these two names and ultimately called the SLP car SS.

Why didn't Chevy simply call them all Z/28? Z/28's were selling pretty well at the time. They weren't going to risk reshuffling the Z/28 brand on an outside sourced car.

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Old May 11, 2004 | 12:23 AM
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Very true. I think the whole thing just looked kinda "ghetto." Actually sales did progressively go down after that. It looked like a marketing plot just to get more sales out of a high priced option by bringing back a name from years ago. It was a confusing thing to alot of people, kinda like "woah what happened to the Z28?" I woulda prefered it if they kept it Z28/SS, but just being known as an SLP upgraded Z28 with a little chrome SLP emblem or 2 would have been fine.
Old May 11, 2004 | 12:37 AM
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Well, thats kinda sad. I didnt say a fully loaded Z28 for 25, Im saying, the Z28 to start at 26ish. I assume that whatever 5.3 V8 car will go head to head with the GT if the Z28 and or SS are in the 30 range? I dont want a stripper car, I want a car I can build that wont rape me in "add on" packages. I wanted to see the Z28 start at maybe 26-27.
And I think we are getting too caught up in history. What Im looking at is what Chevy is doing now, and what they are naming there top models. Outsize of the Z06, every other top trim so far has become a SS model. Im not talking about history, just looking at the trend Chevy is doing.
No matter what it does, I would like to see the Z28 start off as close to mid 20's as possible. I dont think a lot of people are gunna be happy with the 30k price of the Z28 and SS. I could be wrong. Time will only tell.
Old May 11, 2004 | 12:53 AM
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I dont think a lot of people are gunna be happy with the 30k price of the Z28 and SS. I could be wrong. Time will only tell.
Just an educated guess on my part.....

I'd bet you'll be able to get a lightly optioned SS, that could hang with the current CTSv, for around $28K.
Old May 11, 2004 | 01:01 AM
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Just an educated guess on my part.....

I'd bet you'll be able to get a lightly optioned SS, that could hang with the current CTSv, for around $28K.

I DONT WANT A FRIGGIN SS DAMN IT!!!

I WANT MY CAMARO Z28!!

sorry bout the yellng.
Old May 11, 2004 | 10:03 AM
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I DONT WANT A FRIGGIN SS DAMN IT!!!

I WANT MY CAMARO Z28!!

sorry bout the yellng.
No problem...yell away.

I'd also like to see a lower cost SS package using the 5.3. I'd like to see it competing directly with the under $25K Mustang GT.
Old May 11, 2004 | 10:31 AM
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The point ALL of the Z-28 haters are failing to grasp is this...

... when the Camaro returns in 2007 as a 2008 model, the "current" direction rumored is that the top Camaro will be the Camaro SS. However it is also rumored that in the following year (probably 18 months later) a special edition Super Camaro which will essentially be a racecar in street trim, ala the Corvette Z06, will be released with limited availability. That car is also rumored to be called Z-28. (Assuming the car is even called "CAMARO" )

All this information has been presented in this forum. You just have to read past page one AND be able to comprehend some "between-the-lines" suggestions.

Furthermore.... let me make this perfectly clear.... I am not an SS hater, nor am I jealous of the stripes, hood scoop and exhaust. (heck I could add those if I wanted). I LOVE ALL CAMAROS. (Yes, even the six bangers.)
Old May 11, 2004 | 10:37 AM
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This is getting STUPID. Noone is hating on a z28. An ss is a z28 with a few more things added. Quit being retarded and so offensice. I have had 5 z28s and one ss. Its all good! Take a chill pill
Old May 11, 2004 | 10:38 AM
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BTW the only thing that would be close to being a hater are the z28 owners talking about the SS
Old May 11, 2004 | 10:47 AM
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Originally posted by Lt1 and Ls1
BTW the only thing that would be close to being a hater are the z28 owners talking about the SS
Actually I believe the "SS guys" started it. All I did was repeat what was written elsewhere in this forum and the bashers started unleashing their wrath at my suggestion the top Camaro would be called Z-28.

Very well, let me rephrase what I originally wrote...

... the Top Camaro will be the SS.... however there will also be a Super Camaro called Z-28.

Is that any less offensive?
Old May 11, 2004 | 02:14 PM
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But if we are gunna go with history, a super Camaro would be a ZL1. Onlything wrong with that is that the ZL1 was just a drag strip runner, not a corner carver. But an all aluminum 427 does sound about right for that car
Old May 11, 2004 | 02:40 PM
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sorry for the question, as I do not read this forum very much, so is the camaro coming back and if so, when.
I didn't know if you guys were speculating as to what you would like to see in it if it did come back or what
Old May 11, 2004 | 02:49 PM
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Originally posted by My Red 93Z-28
sorry for the question, as I do not read this forum very much, so is the camaro coming back and if so, when.
I didn't know if you guys were speculating as to what you would like to see in it if it did come back or what
Well my original question was "Will the GTO be equal to the "top dog" Camaro (like the SS was in the 4th gen) or will the GTO equal the "mainstream V8" (like the Z28 was in the 4th gen)"

But as usuall it turned into a Z28 vs. SS debate
Old May 11, 2004 | 03:11 PM
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Well my original question was "Will the GTO be equal to the "top dog" Camaro (like the SS was in the 4th gen) or will the GTO equal the "mainstream V8" (like the Z28 was in the 4th gen)"

But as usuall it turned into a Z28 vs. SS debate
And I pointed that out as well... also posted here in earlier threads.... GTO is Pontiac's Corvette and is not subject to any "Corvette" Rules and subsequently will be allowed to have more power than the Camaro SS.

Furthermore, any suggestion that the 4th gen Z-28 had a "mainstream V8" while the SS was "top dog" is ludicrous. They had the same flippin' drivetrain! The SS got a better flowing air intake and exhaust, some different badging and stripes. BIG DEAL! Unless you believe the tuner crowd's philosphy of stickers and a fart can exhaust adding legitmate horsepower, to say they were vastly different is rediculous.

The GTO however may get the same powerplant as the "top dog" Corvette; whereas the Camaro may be limited to what the "base" Vette gets.
Old May 11, 2004 | 03:34 PM
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Furthermore, any suggestion that the 4th gen Z-28 had a "mainstream V8" while the SS was "top dog" is ludicrous. They had the same flippin' drivetrain! The SS got a better flowing air intake and exhaust, some different badging and stripes. BIG DEAL! Unless you believe the tuner crowd's philosphy of stickers and a fart can exhaust adding legitmate horsepower, to say they were vastly different is rediculous.
I know they had the same drive train, but I was just using terms to descirbe 2 cars that have not even been created.

If I would have said, "will the Z28 eqaul the GTO and have the SS higher than both, OR Will the SS equal the GTO and the Z28 will be less as "powerfull", Then half the people will have yelled at me for saying the SS should not be the "top dog". I was just trying to keep away from the Z28 vs. SS debate by using the terms "top dog" and "Mainstream V8" instead of SS and Z28

They have the same drivetrain, YES, but they are still 2 differant cars.

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