What would be the object of bringing back the Camaro if it wasn't gonna compete with the M*stang and try to beat it out as always? Come on. That's the whole purpose and GM knows it. The GTO has no direct historical competitor like the Camaro has.

 

The way I see it, the Camaro will remain the same, by 2007 you will have:
Possibly 4.0 V6
Z28 = LS2
SS = LS2 w/ram air and SS Body styling.

GTO will have the LS2 and run the same engine as the Z28 and SS but will not have ram air or any special body styling, one model that's it. It currently has the LS1 and is equal to the 4th gen but a little lighter.

 

the V6 will probably the the 3.9, then an RS model will be the 5.3, and let the Z28 and SS carry the same engine, only have them at 2 different branches. For a leather-luxo cruser, you can get the SS with scoop and on start etc.
the other side is the Z28 which will be "faster" because of the last bolt on stuff, but come with larger brakes, tighter suspension, and more supportive cloth seats. Then people have a choice if they want a race car, get the Z. If they want luxury with power, you have the SS. If you just want a low 20's V8 car that can keep up with the Mustang GT, get the RS. Then if you just want style, the Camaro name with some pep under the hood, get the SC.

I think the GTO will be more along the lines of the SS, but have the larger brakes from the Z28 and its suspension. I think because the GTO is Pontiacs halo car, that the Camaro will benifit from it. The GTO will be packing some mega hp, and to spread the weath, and the cost of a hi-po motor, a detuned LS7 could find its way though the Zeta cars that way.

 

Al, I think in some ways you are saying what we want the Z28 and SS to be. Just in slightly different ways. But I do not agree with the GTO having "Z28 suspension." I honestly see no need for it to try and out-perform the Camaro when it has no direct competitor like the Camaro has. So what if it weighs more, GTO basically competes with itself, what would be the sense of it competing with the top Camaro?

I also can't imagine the more refined GTO having just crazy stupid acceleration and a rough ride because of tighter suspension. I don't think that's quite what the goal is for that car.

 

I look at GTO vs Camaro the same as I do G35 coupe and 350Z. I believe the same sort of lineup will occur. I have no worries about the GTO outpowering (by much) the Camaro.

 

WRONG!

We'll get a base V6 Camaro and an SS with a V8 (likely LS2).

Then a year later the Z-28 will come back as a special limited edition supercar ala Corvette Z06. The TOP CAMARO will once again be Z-28.

 

so I have to spend 30k on a Z28?

This is what gets me. If I cant get a "mid 20's" Z28, then I will be very disappointed. I dont want to spend upwards of 30k just to see the Z28 badge.

As for as the GTO and what it will go up against, it has cars like the G35, BMW 3 series, MB CLK class, and other sport luxury coupes. The GTO can go up against the M3 CLK AMG and a G45 aka Skyline. Just because it has nothing to go against doesnt mean Pontiac is just gunna forget about it. Its going to be Pontiacs Halo car, so it will get all the goodies and probably a hi-po model that might be the ticket for the Camaro.

 

LOL how can u say z28 will be on top? it has always been
SS
Z28
RS
SC

Ever since friggin 67 when the camaro was made, SS was top dog on the list. only in 71 when the SS package was dropped was z28 on top until 96. Where did you get that info? Look at the trend GM is useing now, SS is the top model. Look at silverado, SS is top dog, z71 is under it. Monte SS, Impala SS, are all on top. Chevy will keep the SS name tag and further to employ it as the top of the line status. The fact that we dont even know if/when the camaro will return is stupid for us to debate which will be on top. As it stands of 2002, SS was on top and z28 was the base performance v8

 

Well, I think the last $25,000 Z/28 has already been built. I don't think it's reasonable to expect a 400 hp...or 400+hp car to be attainable for "mid 20's".

 

Wrong. Do a search (or some research) for this, it's been covered too many times. The 4th Gen's setup was wrong. And we basically do know if and when the car is coming back. Some people just do not read this board enough.

 

Run and hide! Z28 vs SS thread! God save us from 27 page immortal threads!

 

Where ever you stand on that....you have to admit, that things have gotten alittle slow around here, since then.


Ahhhh......the good ole' days.

 

Ok, lets say that the Z28 has been the top performance model, but the SS has been the top "trim" aka the more expensive model? I know you could get RS trim on the Z28, but you could also do it with the SS.
I rather have the SS as a more expensive cruser end of the he spectrum while the Z28 is a cheaper, more sports oriented.

 

Yes Al, that's what we want. But while options would make the SS's price go up, the same will happen for the performance focused Z28. You always pay for performance. That's the way it is.

 

I understand that, but I want the ability to order a mid 20's Z28 and not have to give up performance. If the Z28 is the top model, then its gunna end up loaded with options that I really dont want. I dont know why you guys are pushing for a high end Z28? I know Im not the only one that doesnt want to pay over 30k for a Z. GM should be able to offer the Z28 with good performance for a good price.
Im not really worried about performance as there is such a thing called the aftermarket.