We now have enough info on what the next Camaro looks like.
Originally posted by dream '94 Z28
I understand, BUT, let me throw another curve in there. I'd be willing to bet the V6 Camaro buyers bought it for it's low slung look.
I understand, BUT, let me throw another curve in there. I'd be willing to bet the V6 Camaro buyers bought it for it's low slung look.
. Hehe. I'm sure there are many that bought them for that simple reason, and i'm sure that some have shyed from them for that reason as well. Hard to say, other than that the v6's weren't selling in the expected volumes. But that could have come from a hundred other reasons, and not this reason alone.
Originally posted by dream '94 Z28
I think if three major things changed from the F4; raise the roof about .5 inch (like they did on the C5), shorten the doors a bit, and brought the base of the windsheild back while keeping the A-pillar rake close to the 4th gen or what it was on the 3rd Gens you'd have an interior that would, IMO, make both camps very happy. Perhaps take it a step further and have the V8 cars ride maybe .5 -1.0 inches lower
I think if three major things changed from the F4; raise the roof about .5 inch (like they did on the C5), shorten the doors a bit, and brought the base of the windsheild back while keeping the A-pillar rake close to the 4th gen or what it was on the 3rd Gens you'd have an interior that would, IMO, make both camps very happy. Perhaps take it a step further and have the V8 cars ride maybe .5 -1.0 inches lower
Originally posted by jg95z28
That's what I thought.... I LIKE IT!
That's what I thought.... I LIKE IT!
That's really close to the original lime-gold color of my 1967 Mustang. It's OK, but not my cup of tea. I'm partial to darker colors (except yellow).
Originally posted by PaperTarget
Really
That's really close to the original lime-gold color of my 1967 Mustang. It's OK, but not my cup of tea. I'm partial to darker colors (except yellow).
Really
That's really close to the original lime-gold color of my 1967 Mustang. It's OK, but not my cup of tea. I'm partial to darker colors (except yellow).
How about the windveil blue? It almost looks grey in some lighting/angles.
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I think the Camaro will be less sports coupeish and move away from its low-slung siblings to a higher, more sedan like feel. I feel thats one of the reasons why the Mustang sold better is because the car felt more like a large sedan when you sit in it, then a corvette-like cabin.
The Mustang's seats put you up, almost like an small SUV, which leads me to my 2nd reason why more females buy Mustangs. Girls love SUV's because of the seat hight and "comand of the road". They might get that feeling in a Stang!! j/k...sort of. I can sit in a Mustang, then sit in a Taurus and the seat hight is the same. But go from camaro to taurus(as thoes are the 2 cars I own) Its like stepping into an SUV compared to the falling into the Camaro.
But I dont think the Camaro will be too much like a sedan. I think that will be left to the GTO. The Camaro will have a definate sportier feel then the larger GTO. I think that the higher seat might actualy be welcomed by many.
The Cobra was really a great car by Ford, but I feel as if it was a cheap shot kick to the groin of the already dead fbody. Before that, there wasnt really much the Mustang had on the Camaro in a long time. But, the Cobra is also 35k putting it 10k above your average Fbody. And when MM&FF did the comparison test, the SS(that was loaded down with 35anni badges) wasnt that far behind the Cobra in the 1/4, and at the track. I actualy saw that race as they did it at my local Englishtown Raceway. They brought the almighty Evan Smith to run both cars.
Anyway, IF and thats a big IF... IF the Cobra does come with 500hp, The Camaro will not chase it as that starts to become Vette land. Ford has this hard on about taking on the Corvette huh? They keep trying, but keep falling flat. And I dont see a 500hp Mustang when they have a 500hp super car. It just doesnt seem right. I think the Mustang team needs to really work on there own level. The price of a 500hp cobra also wont be all that cheap. I see a 450hp Cobra, but 500 is a lot, think about it. Its almost impracticle as the Mustang is not a dedicated sports car like the Vette or Ford GT. Its a sports car for the every day man. Ford cant lose site of that, because thats what happend to the Camaro. Mark my words, the Mustang will become an enthusiasts car. Between the design, and strong supporty for higher hp models, the car will become something that it wasnt made out for. I honestly think that Ford's Cobra is just fine right now at the level of HP as there is NO ONE out there making cars with that kinda power in the Pony Car market. Maybe an LS6 or LS2 powerd GTO, but the GTO is a higher scale sports car then the Mustang and not really in its class.
Anyway, I know that when the Camaro comes out that the powertrains will be there, as they have been. I belive that the LS2 will be getting a slight hp boost before release this year, probably another 10hp. There is just no way that the LS2 is just making 400hp, some how 5hp less then the Z06. I say its more like 420 at its highest. If they keep it at 400, Id like to see some dyno numbers. But, the Camaro will out handle and out power the Mustang again. Sorry Ford fans, but the LS2 is a much better motor then the 4.6. Perhpas a new age DOHC 4.6 or a 5.4 for a special model like the Bullit/Mach 1 that makes something closer to 400, maybe 380ish. If the LS2 gets a real raiting of 420hp, the Camaro will probably get a "detuned" 400hp LS2.
The Mustang's seats put you up, almost like an small SUV, which leads me to my 2nd reason why more females buy Mustangs. Girls love SUV's because of the seat hight and "comand of the road". They might get that feeling in a Stang!! j/k...sort of. I can sit in a Mustang, then sit in a Taurus and the seat hight is the same. But go from camaro to taurus(as thoes are the 2 cars I own) Its like stepping into an SUV compared to the falling into the Camaro.
But I dont think the Camaro will be too much like a sedan. I think that will be left to the GTO. The Camaro will have a definate sportier feel then the larger GTO. I think that the higher seat might actualy be welcomed by many.
The Cobra was really a great car by Ford, but I feel as if it was a cheap shot kick to the groin of the already dead fbody. Before that, there wasnt really much the Mustang had on the Camaro in a long time. But, the Cobra is also 35k putting it 10k above your average Fbody. And when MM&FF did the comparison test, the SS(that was loaded down with 35anni badges) wasnt that far behind the Cobra in the 1/4, and at the track. I actualy saw that race as they did it at my local Englishtown Raceway. They brought the almighty Evan Smith to run both cars.
Anyway, IF and thats a big IF... IF the Cobra does come with 500hp, The Camaro will not chase it as that starts to become Vette land. Ford has this hard on about taking on the Corvette huh? They keep trying, but keep falling flat. And I dont see a 500hp Mustang when they have a 500hp super car. It just doesnt seem right. I think the Mustang team needs to really work on there own level. The price of a 500hp cobra also wont be all that cheap. I see a 450hp Cobra, but 500 is a lot, think about it. Its almost impracticle as the Mustang is not a dedicated sports car like the Vette or Ford GT. Its a sports car for the every day man. Ford cant lose site of that, because thats what happend to the Camaro. Mark my words, the Mustang will become an enthusiasts car. Between the design, and strong supporty for higher hp models, the car will become something that it wasnt made out for. I honestly think that Ford's Cobra is just fine right now at the level of HP as there is NO ONE out there making cars with that kinda power in the Pony Car market. Maybe an LS6 or LS2 powerd GTO, but the GTO is a higher scale sports car then the Mustang and not really in its class.
Anyway, I know that when the Camaro comes out that the powertrains will be there, as they have been. I belive that the LS2 will be getting a slight hp boost before release this year, probably another 10hp. There is just no way that the LS2 is just making 400hp, some how 5hp less then the Z06. I say its more like 420 at its highest. If they keep it at 400, Id like to see some dyno numbers. But, the Camaro will out handle and out power the Mustang again. Sorry Ford fans, but the LS2 is a much better motor then the 4.6. Perhpas a new age DOHC 4.6 or a 5.4 for a special model like the Bullit/Mach 1 that makes something closer to 400, maybe 380ish. If the LS2 gets a real raiting of 420hp, the Camaro will probably get a "detuned" 400hp LS2.
Originally posted by Big Als Z
And I dont see a 500hp Mustang when they have a 500hp super car. It just doesnt seem right. I think the Mustang team needs to really work on there own level. The price of a 500hp cobra also wont be all that cheap. I see a 450hp Cobra, but 500 is a lot, think about it. Its almost impracticle as the Mustang is not a dedicated sports car like the Vette or Ford GT. Its a sports car for the every day man. Ford cant lose site of that, because thats what happend to the Camaro. Mark my words, the Mustang will become an enthusiasts car. Between the design, and strong supporty for higher hp models, the car will become something that it wasnt made out for.
And I dont see a 500hp Mustang when they have a 500hp super car. It just doesnt seem right. I think the Mustang team needs to really work on there own level. The price of a 500hp cobra also wont be all that cheap. I see a 450hp Cobra, but 500 is a lot, think about it. Its almost impracticle as the Mustang is not a dedicated sports car like the Vette or Ford GT. Its a sports car for the every day man. Ford cant lose site of that, because thats what happend to the Camaro. Mark my words, the Mustang will become an enthusiasts car. Between the design, and strong supporty for higher hp models, the car will become something that it wasnt made out for.
That's beauty of the Cobra. It's the top dog, a low volume niche vehicle, and just one of the many other mustang offerings. In the coming years, we'll be seeing 9 variations of the mustang, and upto 4 version on any given year. That gives Ford plenty of flexibility, and allows them to target many markets as well as performanec and price points with the mustang.
As far as working on their own level....that's the thing. There's no sports car between the Mustang and the ultra expensive GT. So there's that BIG gap. And prior to the Ford GT, the Cobra (in some years Cobra R) was the Ford flagship performance car.
I don't see a 500hp being a threat to the vette, but it will be to the sport coupes and such in the 35-45k price range.
If the new z06 is everything it's rumored to be, then a 500 HP Cobra should be on its heels nipping. I think the regular non-z06 Vette will get beat by it though, just like the current non-z06 Vette and current Cobra.
Originally posted by jg95z28
Is that gold or green?
Is that gold or green?
Originally posted by PaperTarget
If the new z06 is everything it's rumored to be, then a 500 HP Cobra should be on its heels nipping.
If the new z06 is everything it's rumored to be, then a 500 HP Cobra should be on its heels nipping.
Originally posted by Doug Harden
This post has been long since hi-jacked.....let's take the OT stuff to a new thread guys.......
This post has been long since hi-jacked.....let's take the OT stuff to a new thread guys.......
OMG!
Meets all the criteria without being... RETRO.
Originally posted by jg95z28
Getting back to the subject at hand... have you seen the latest proposal over at cheersandgears?
OMG!
Meets all the criteria without being... RETRO.
Getting back to the subject at hand... have you seen the latest proposal over at cheersandgears?
OMG!
Meets all the criteria without being... RETRO.
-Jason


